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Old 09-30-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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I gotta clarify this as a native born Midwesterner: THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT DALLAS THAT'S MIDWEST!!!
  • It has a different climate than the Midwest
  • It doesn't have the same patterns of urban development, or even ethnic enclaves, that you would find in cities in the Midwest
  • It's more conservative politically and culturally than the Midwest
  • It has a different religious fabric than the Midwest
  • It has a different history than the Midwest
  • It doesn't have the same foliage as the Midwest (live oaks don't grow in the Midwest)

Dallas is more Southern than Midwestern--with a heavy Western influence. There is nothing Midwest about a town when one of the largest parks is named after Robert E Lee, one of the largest high schools is named after Stonewall Jackson, a major sporting event is named the Cotton Bowl, and most of the suburbs were built on former cotton fields.

Also--and no offense to anyone here--Oklahoma and Arkansas are not the Midwest!!!
That's just a name of a park, the Cotton Bowl, whatever it's just a Bowl Game and stadium. It may not be Midwestern, but I agree, it does have a heavy western influence.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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Anybody been to Vickburg Mississppi. Its characteristics are very similar to Dallas.

Raymond, Mississppi "The Battle of Raymond" site from the civil war....


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That looks like Mesquite if anything, not really Dallas.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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Waco, Hearne, Marlin,Southern Dallas, Calvert, and more. Hearne and Calvert can feel almost or just as southern as cities in east Texas. Anyone who knows about Waco's past and have experienced the city will tell you it's definitely southern compared to western.
I'll give you credit for Hearne and all those others.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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Yes indeed it does have a Southern influence to it, within the Black community, and the native whites tend to have Southern accents. But that's basically where it ENDS. Nothing more. EVERYTHING ELSE, including the Tejano influence, Cactus being native to the area, No pine trees, Limestone hills, dry grassland and shrubbery, proximity to South Texas, all of that gives it a undeniably Western influence.
I agree with this, but I will say that some of the limestone hills remind me of areas around Nashville. A little bit.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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I agree with this, but I will say that some of the limestone hills remind me of areas around Nashville. A little bit.
A tad bit.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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Well this depends on if you consider Oklahoma and Arkansas southern or not. You disqualifying those two is going to open up a huge debate about what's southern and what's not.

Arkansas and Southeastern Oklahoma are unequivocally southern, believe that.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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Arkansas and Southeastern Oklahoma are unequivocally southern, believe that.
I never disagreed; However, some say they are southern and others say they are Midwestern.

But Oklahoma does feel Midwestern to me
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Funky Town, Texas
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I've always thought that Houston was supposedly the more "black-friendly" city in Texas. Don't get me wrong, Dallas is not too far behind, but it seems like Houston is held in higher regard (press, polls, events, etc.) in that instance. Not disputing what your saying, just trying to get a clear POV. Missouri City seems to be where the black middle class is going to in Houston, while in D/FW, the Best Southwest area and the southern portions of Arlington and Grand Prairie seem to be the major destination areas for the black middle class.

I'd say that they're still a bit more integrated than say, Stone Mountain/Lithonia here in Atlanta or Prince Georges County, MD outside DC.
Crowley, Texas has seen a explosion in the African American population. Check the 2010 census when it comes out. Also Desoto, Lancaster, Cedar hill along with South Arlington and Mansfield have also seen tremendous gains as well. Black Enterpise ranks Dallas # 5 on the 2005 list for best places for African Americans. Lets not forget Steve harvey, Tom Joyner, Ricky Smiley and Michael Baisden all based out of Dallas. I would say Houston gets more attention though "Beyonce" and the hip hop game in H-Town. Dallas still lags behind in that category (huge underground).

Blacks in Dallas - Where and why African Americans are choosing Dallas
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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I never disagreed; However, some say they are southern and others say they are Midwestern.

But Oklahoma does feel Midwestern to me

I agree. The only part of Oklahoma that feels southern to me would be the far southeastern ends , especially by Arkansas. Other than that, it's more midwesternish/great plains to me.

I keep forgetting there are different regions of the midwest, just as there are different regions of the South.
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Basically what your doing is ignoring DFW southern roots and the towns in between. The South begins East of I 35 not I 45. You have to live here and experience it to really get a feel of the southern roots. Those big Mega Churches, gospel singers, and the soulful atmosphere of Dallas can't be ignored. Brown and Cora natives of the area from Tyler Perry plays attend church in Fort Worth, Texas. Gospel Artist Kirk Franklin is from Fort Worth, Texas you better believe we have strong proud southern tradition in DFW. DFW and Atlanta politically and culturally are mirror images of each other. Also what distinguish them from Houston is there is a large concentrated black middle class. Houston has a slightly larger black population due to the Katrina effect, but its not as concentrated as the Dallas middle class. The biggest difference between Dallas & Atlanta is Dallas has Oak trees and Atlanta has the numerous Pine trees.
You have completely misinterpreted my post. All I was basically trying to say to grindin is that east of I-45 is the area that is most closely tied with the southeast. You never have and never will hear me say DFW isn't southern.

As far as blacks in Texas, Houston's black population has always been larger than Dallas'. Even before Katrina. And while Houston's black middle class may be less concentrated, I'd still say it mirrors Atlanta more than Dallas.
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