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Old 10-06-2009, 10:58 PM
 
Location: SF and Atlanta
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If your dream city is miles and miles of McMansions and Walmarts and 1.5 hour commutes in bumper to bumper traffic, you would probably like Atlanta.
When I lived in Atlanta, I got in my car once a week or so... to go grocery shopping. I used MARTA for work and other shopping because I chose to live *in* Atlanta, just as I have chosen to live *in* New York (and not in Stamford or Greenwich or somewhere). My ATL experience bore little resemblance to your caricature.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:10 PM
 
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I was trying to resist, as it gets tiring to read post after post on these forums that "everyone" in LA drives, that you "have" to drive, that it's one big suburb and sometimes it feels like fighting a losing battle to point out the obvious to people who are determined not to question their preconceived notions. I think it's a fair assumption that anyone who says such things has never spent much time taking public transportation in LA. I say this as someone who lived in LA for 3+ years as a non-driver (and never lived in a McMansion, for that matter; the more typical LA housing is either an apartment or a small house on a small lot.). Public transportation doesn't work for everyone in LA, but it doesn't work for everyone in NYC, either. LA's system is quite extensive, the buses and trains are often packed. I knew plenty of people who did not own cars (or who owned one, but still often got around by walking or public transportation), so obviously it can be done. LA is a different type of city than NYC, Philadelphia, DC, or other more traditional older American cities, but it is no less urban or real.

And yes, there's a subway, so LA counts as "real" if that's one's litmus test.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:18 PM
 
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Yes I've spent more time in the suburbs of L.A than you know..
To point out the obvious, spending time in the suburbs of a city does not make one an expert in discussing the city, given that this is a discussion of "'real' cities", not "real suburbs."

To form an opinion of LA based on some suburban area, say Thousand Oaks or somewhere, would be the same as making statements about Manhattan based on the time spent visiting some suburb out in Connecticut.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:26 PM
 
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I was trying to resist, as it gets tiring to read post after post on these forums that "everyone" in LA drives, that you "have" to drive, that it's one big suburb and sometimes it feels like fighting a losing battle to point out the obvious to people who are determined not to question their preconceived notions. I think it's a fair assumption that anyone who says such things has never spent much time taking public transportation in LA. I say this as someone who lived in LA for 3+ years as a non-driver (and never lived in a McMansion, for that matter; the more typical LA housing is either an apartment or a small house on a small lot.). Public transportation doesn't work for everyone in LA, but it doesn't work for everyone in NYC, either. LA's system is quite extensive, the buses and trains are often packed. I knew plenty of people who did not own cars (or who owned one, but still often got around by walking or public transportation), so obviously it can be done. LA is a different type of city than NYC, Philadelphia, DC, or other more traditional older American cities, but it is no less urban or real.

And yes, there's a subway, so LA counts as "real" if that's one's litmus test.
You better get used to it. That's how C-D works, the "other" cities(you know which ones I'm talking about) talk down on the Sunbelt cities.
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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So I guess up until this past year, Seattle has been a fake city all this time since before 2009, they only had a bus tunnel with no rail. Who would've thought!
Seattle's an exception
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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Real cities gain population. Fake cities lose population.
ouch
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Charleston
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How is Jacksonville a fake city?
One of those cities that has no real urban feel. After 6 Pm and on Weekends Dowtown becomes a ghost town as there is no residential area in the heart of the city. It's quite depressing, really..
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:17 AM
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Location: Queens, NY
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any city with a subway system
this, among other things.
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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Orlando isn't a fake city, maybe to your standards. but not to the average american.
If the average American is 10 years old or younger then yes they will agree with you.
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:48 AM
 
Location: São Paulo
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If the average American is 10 years old or younger then yes they will agree with you.
Come on man, Orlando has the best skyline in the country!



And their Mayor is not only a stud, but he has spear-headed several innovative projects which have greatly benefited the city and all of its residents...except the Jewish ones haha


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