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Old 10-12-2009, 12:57 AM
 
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I have never EVER heard of SF being referred to as southwestern. If anything I thought that was where northern CA began. And I may have my history wrong, but I think Baltimore was under martial law during the civil war and never was included in the south. But MD the state does have some confederate heritage. They even have or did have license plates commemorating it, and as my employer who is from the Baltimore burbs puts it, MD was, and apparently still is, a divided state on the whole N vs S argument. But Baltimore the city southern, no way.
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Old 10-12-2009, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Baltimore is definitely not southern at all. As many said, there are parts of Maryland that feel southern, but none of those areas are in Baltimore. Baltimore is very similar to Philadelphia. Baltimore is pure East Coast. San Francisco is definitely not southwestern either. I could maybe see some of the further inland suburbs of San Francisco having some southwestern flavor, but that's a stretch. San Francisco is clearly Northern California. The only other region I could place San Francisco in is the Pacific Northwest, not because of location, but because the city definitely shares some similarities with Vancouver and Seattle.
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Old 10-12-2009, 05:28 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I wonder why Baltimore is "definitely not Southern at all." I mean I accept it's not and it's description doesn't really fit, but it still strikes me as a tad odd that it's not "at all."

Not being in the Confederacy doesn't seem like enough as Kentucky wasn't precisely in the Confederacy either, but parts of it are certainly agreed to be Southern. Maryland had three centuries of anti-miscegenation laws, that's longer than maybe any state except Virginia. (Both Maryland and Virginia adopted such laws in the colonial era) I believe they also had segregation. Further I recall reading Frederick Douglass describe time as a dock slave, or some such, in Baltimore. Also Baltimore was largely founded by wealthy English aristocrats with indentured servants or slaves, just like many Southern cities. Delaware, which also had slavery and anti-miscegenation until Loving, was at least founded by Swedes and Dutch making it different.

It does look like Baltimore industrialized earlier due to rail and trade. Is that why it's not "at all" Southern? Or did they get a bunch of Northern immigrants at some point?
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Old 10-12-2009, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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I wonder why Baltimore is "definitely not Southern at all." I mean I accept it's not and it's description doesn't really fit, but it still strikes me as a tad odd that it's not "at all."

Not being in the Confederacy doesn't seem like enough as Kentucky wasn't precisely in the Confederacy either, but parts of it are certainly agreed to be Southern. Maryland had three centuries of anti-miscegenation laws, that's longer than maybe any state except Virginia. (Both Maryland and Virginia adopted such laws in the colonial era) I believe they also had segregation. Further I recall reading Frederick Douglass describe time as a dock slave, or some such, in Baltimore. Also Baltimore was largely founded by wealthy English aristocrats with indentured servants or slaves, just like many Southern cities. Delaware, which also had slavery and anti-miscegenation until Loving, was at least founded by Swedes and Dutch making it different.

It does look like Baltimore industrialized earlier due to rail and trade. Is that why it's not "at all" Southern? Or did they get a bunch of Northern immigrants at some point?
Well, Cincinnati, Ohio was pro-Confederate at the time of the Civil War, but I definitely wouldn't consider it a "Southern" city by any means. However, calling Baltimore "Southerastern" isn't as extremely implausible as calling SF "Southwestern," but it's like arguing whether Mars is habitable vs whether Jupiter is.
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Old 10-12-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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I'm "culturally Southwestern" (and greatly outnumbered by the non Southwestern carpetbaggers who've taken this place over).
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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Baltimore is Southern. Maryland is a Southern state, as delineated by the Mason-Dixon line, which at that longitude is the Maryland/Pennsylvania border. Maryland often is not considered a Southern State because it sided with the North in the Civil War.
Baltimore is as Southern as any other city in the South, perhaps even more so: the Summer months are so stiflingly hot and humid it's often as if one is walking through droplets of water; there's even a "rainy season". If you ever wish to see people moving slow n'easy, check out Baltimore in August.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Baltimore is Southern. Maryland is a Southern state, as delineated by the Mason-Dixon line, which at that longitude is the Maryland/Pennsylvania border. Maryland often is not considered a Southern State because it sided with the North in the Civil War.
Baltimore is as Southern as any other city in the South, perhaps even more so: the Summer months are so stiflingly hot and humid it's often as if one is walking through droplets of water; there's even a "rainy season". If you ever wish to see people moving slow n'easy, check out Baltimore in August.
There is no rainy season in Baltimore. Baltimore has practically the same weather as nyc, philly n dc. I take it u obviously r not from Baltimore.
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Old 03-22-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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There is no rainy season in Baltimore. Baltimore has practically the same weather as nyc, philly n dc. I take it u obviously r not from Baltimore.
And I take it that you don't know squat about Maryland's History and the Fact that Maryland is a Southern State......
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Old 03-22-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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At the end of the end of the day, DC and Baltimore are part of the south. Im not saying something is wrong with that though
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:27 PM
 
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Baltimore is as southern as any other southern city, but the weather description he made was overstated.
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