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Actually it's not. Numerous other federal agencies such as the FBI, EPA, etc. all include Maryland in the Northeast. In fact, the Census Bureau's definition doesn't really hold much water, because Maryland and Delaware have next to nothing in common with the south. They have much more in common with Pennsylvania and New Jersey from cultural, demographic, political, and linguistic standpoints. To reiterate you, discussion is over.
Maryland isn't necessarily historically southern. Parts of it are, but not the northern parts from Baltimore out through western MD. Baltimore had a huge manufacturing base with a large European immigrant population. Slave population was a whopping 1% in Baltimore in 1860.
Southerners NEVER considered DC to be the south. Only northerners, it's mid atlantic, Baltimore is just out of the question, anyone thinking Baltimore is southern is off there rocker. Even places like Norfolk are really pushing it, go down to Mississippi or Alabama or even the Panhandle in Florida and no one considers any part of Virgina to be the south, the Mason Dixon line only matters to outsiders and northerners. It has nothing to do with slavery either, East Tennessee had almost no slaves during it's entire history. South Knoxville was a hotbed for abolitionists 100 years before slavery up until the civil war, but to call a place like Knoxville not the south is just stupid.
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Maryland isn't necessarily historically southern. Parts of it are, but not the northern parts from Baltimore out through western MD. Baltimore had a huge manufacturing base with a large European immigrant population. Slave population was a whopping 1% in Baltimore in 1860.
No part of Maryland is southern, regardless of what percentage of slaves there were. I find it hilarious someone from Montana or New York would have an opinion on what is the south.
No part of Maryland is southern, regardless of what percentage of slaves there were. I find it hilarious someone from Montana or New York would have an opinion on what is the south.
Well you might be right; recently even the Eastern Shore voted for Mitt Romney over Santorum by like 25 point margins. Usually when people from NY and what not argue that MD is southern, it's done either to troll or to subtly diss the state. BTW, I'm originally from Baltimore.
Southerners NEVER considered DC to be the south. Only northerners, it's mid atlantic, Baltimore is just out of the question, anyone thinking Baltimore is southern is off there rocker. Even places like Norfolk are really pushing it, go down to Mississippi or Alabama or even the Panhandle in Florida and no one considers any part of Virgina to be the south, the Mason Dixon line only matters to outsiders and northerners. It has nothing to do with slavery either, East Tennessee had almost no slaves during it's entire history. South Knoxville was a hotbed for abolitionists 100 years before slavery up until the civil war, but to call a place like Knoxville not the south is just stupid.
While I agree with you about Maryland and DC I never met a southerner not considering Richmond as the south, Generally most southerners consider VA the south.... outside of the DC area.
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Because Maryland is Southern........
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Texas ain't Southern....
Southwestern Yes, but Southern No way..........
LOL wait wait wait Maryland is the south but Texas is Not.. ROFL
OK I can understand El Paso and west Texas but So are you saying Dallas and Houston have more in common with Tucson, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Then they do with New Orleans, Memphis, Little Rock, Nashville, Atlanta?.... At the same time saying DC and Baltimore has more in common with Raleigh, Charlotte, Atlanta, Nashville, Birmingham then it does with Philly, Trenton, New York, Providence, Newark, Jersey City?...
Southeast, North and East Texas makes most of the state populations it's like 3/4 of Texas population is southern. Central Texas can be debated West Texas is not as populated. Maryland is only southern because it's defined as part of the south by the census. Unlike South Florida which is by default of location the south, Maryland is at the top which make it that make easier to not consider it as the south.
Southerners NEVER considered DC to be the south. Only northerners, it's mid atlantic, Baltimore is just out of the question, anyone thinking Baltimore is southern is off there rocker. Even places like Norfolk are really pushing it, go down to Mississippi or Alabama or even the Panhandle in Florida and no one considers any part of Virgina to be the south, the Mason Dixon line only matters to outsiders and northerners. It has nothing to do with slavery either, East Tennessee had almost no slaves during it's entire history. South Knoxville was a hotbed for abolitionists 100 years before slavery up until the civil war, but to call a place like Knoxville not the south is just stupid.
You are correct in stating that many Northerners consider/considered DC and Baltimore southern. Matter of fact, everyone I knew growing up there thought that anything south of the Delaware Memorial Birdge, was the south!
I'm from the Piney Woods and Gulf Coast area of southeast Texas, just 23 miles from Louisiana. It's deeeeeeep south there (crawfish, gators, shrimp, lots of lakes, rivers, and the ocean of the Gulf of Mexico).
Yep, I'm from there too and you are right, it is apart of the deep south. Most people think Texas is more SW..maybe Central and West Texas. But the coastal areas north of Galveston and portions of East, TX are apart of the deep south IMO. Even in Houston there are some areas that have deep southern characteristics.
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HL Mencken, Sage of Baltimore, at work,
http://tinyurl.com/6p86ehe (broken link)
That was an incredibly interesting read.
Some of the points he made are my own, only he expressed them far more expertly.
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