Which US Cities are going uphill and downhill the most? (apartment, condos)

[Redrum237]

So, is the crime in Orlando affecting tourism as of late? Like, have many tourists directly been victimised by it?

[Quelo]

From what I read and heard, Pittsburgh is going up, especially if we compare with the way it was not so long ago. Charlotte has also been improving.
On the downsize, well some other cities in Ohio (not a big as Cleveland) are also very bad, but they have been going in that direction for quite a bit already (Dayton, Akron,...)
I would say that fortunately there are more cities going up rather than down. (this financial crisis) might not being exactly helpful, but I see many cities are working hard to improve.

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[Redrum237]

Originally Posted by SEAandATL

Atlanta seems to have been going downhill since about 2006, and even faster after the Recession took its toll on the city, but at the same time there was and still is a big construction boom, and a lot of proposals for the city such as Midtown Mile and Beltline. Hopefully after the economy recovers ATL will be back on an uphill track and back to the post '96 Olympics days, if not better.

I was under the impression Atlanta is on the uphill, and has been a massive destination for construction and development lately, with crime going down and gentrifcation going up.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Redrum237

I was under the impression Atlanta is on the uphill, and has been a massive destination for construction and development lately, with crime going down and gentrifcation going up.

The crime is now dispersed throughout the rest of the metro.

[Redrum237]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

The crime is now dispersed throughout the rest of the metro.

That makes sense. It, along with Washington DC, I believe is perhaps the only metro area in the nation in which a huge swath of suburbia is dominatred by lower middle class black folks.

[14thandYou]

Originally Posted by Redrum237

That makes sense. It, along with Washington DC, I believe is perhaps the only metro area in the nation in which a huge swath of suburbia is dominatred by lower middle class black folks.

A "huge swath" eh? Of the 14 counties and 6 independent cities that constitute the DC metro region, only one--Prince George's County, in Maryland--has a majority black population. And Prince George's has a higher per-capita income than Frederick County (89% white), Prince William County (68% white), Charles County (68% white), Stafford County (79% white) and Calvert County (84% white).

In fact, Prince George's maintains the highest median income of any U.S. county with a majority black population.

So, why exactly does it "make sense" that crime in DC is "dispersed throughout the Metro"? (A false assertion in its own right.)

[DeaconJ]

Originally Posted by Redrum237

That makes sense. It, along with Washington DC, I believe is perhaps the only metro area in the nation in which a huge swath of suburbia is dominatred by lower middle class black folks.

Atlanta only has one suburban county that is dominated by lower income black residents - Clayton County. The other 20 are still traditionally suburban in nature.

[Redrum237]

Originally Posted by 14thandYou

A "huge swath" eh? Of the 14 counties and 6 independent cities that constitute the DC metro region, only one--Prince George's County, in Maryland--has a majority black population. And Prince George's has a higher per-capita income than Frederick County (89% white), Prince William County (68% white), Charles County (68% white), Stafford County (79% white) and Calvert County (84% white).

In fact, Prince George's maintains the highest median income of any U.S. county with a majority black population.

So, why exactly does it "make sense" that crime in DC is "dispersed throughout the Metro"? (A false assertion in its own right.)

It's a bigger continguous area of majority black middle and/or upper class suburbia than in any other American metro except possibly Atlanta. These two cities probably have the biggest amount of black-dominated middle class suburbs of any American metro areas, by far.

And it makes sense because although outer PG County, outside the Beltway, is pretty affluent, within the beltway, there are a lot of poor people. And the crime there is pretty high. Just look at this map. Murders Year-To-Date in Prince George's County, MD through Nov. 2nd, 2005 (red), 2006 (green), 2007 (purple), 2008 (yellow), 2009 (blue)

Even the more affluent parts of PG County I have heard have a higher crime rate than your average suburb of equivalent wealth. However I'm willing to say that the crime there may be exaggerated by some...it doesn't look that much worse than much of Montgomery County, for instance.

I think with DC becoming increasingly gentrified, it makes sense that crime will be pushed out to the inner suburbs. And PG county has already got a lot of it, which makes sense since it borders the worst parts of DC in terms of crime too.

[14thandYou]

Originally Posted by Redrum237

It's a bigger continguous area of majority black middle and/or upper class suburbia than in any other American metro except possibly Atlanta.

Well, that wasn't what you said. What you said was:

It, along with Washington DC, I believe is perhaps the only metro area in the nation in which a huge swath of suburbia is dominatred by lower middle class black folks.

There are no huge swaths of lower middle class African-Americans in the DC region. There's a fairly high concentration of them in a single county, which also happens to be the most affluent majority-black county in the country.

And it makes sense because although outer PG County, outside the Beltway, is pretty affluent, within the beltway, there are a lot of poor people. And the crime there is pretty high.

Oh yes, PG County has a high crime rate. Definitely the worst of all of metro DC. But, again, that wasn't your argument--you were arguing that it "made sense" crime would be dispersed throughout the DC metro area (which it is not, at least not in anything remotely resembling a consistent amount) since "hughe swaths" of poor black people were living in suburban areas.

That is simply not true.

[Redrum237]

Originally Posted by 14thandYou

There are no huge swaths of lower middle class African-Americans in the DC region. There's a fairly high concentration of them in a single county, which also happens to be the most affluent majority-black county in the country.

I'd argue since homes cost less in PG County than an equivalent home elsewhere, a good deal of the regular looking suburban homes are occupied by the lower middle class.

Also, within the beltway in PG county, a lot of it is definitely lower middle class.

Oh yes, PG County has a high crime rate. Definitely the worst of all of metro DC. But, again, that wasn't your argument--you were arguing that it "made sense" crime would be dispersed throughout the DC metro area (which it is not, at least not in anything remotely resembling a consistent amount) since "hughe swaths" of poor black people were living in suburban areas.

That is simply not true.

It's not dispersed everywhere, obviously. But it makes sense that it's not just in the inner city, because there are other areas that have plenty of lower middle class black people in them. If I was saying that PG County was mostly lower middle class, that may not be true, but there are a lot of lower middle class people in it.

Anyhow, this argument is somewhat irrelevant. We agree that PG County has a high crime rate. The question is why.

You could say the crime there may be mostly committed by the poor people who live in the inner beltway area in PG, and by the people from the parts of DC bordering PG county. But even the wealthy parts of PG county have a high crime rate for their income bracket. Which leads me to ask...is it the people from these wealthy parts who are committing crimes in their own neighborhoods? Or poorer people from inner beltway PG county and DC?