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Old 10-29-2009, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Umm....

10 Biggest US Metro Areas in 2025
Metro area Projected population
New York City 19,818,478
Los Angeles 14,049,577
Chicago 10,233,137
Dallas-Fort Worth 8,750,408
Houston 7,875,220
Atlanta 7,308,508
Phoenix 6,937,737
Miami-Fort Lauderdale 6,590,616
Washington, D.C. 6,514,361
Philadelphia 6,091,123

what happened to Boston and SF? are they going to lose millions of people?

They already hold the 5-6 spots in CSA and are at 7.5 mil and 7.3 mil respectively...
The answer is in the bold statements. You say there are 5th and 6th in CSA, and the predictions are for MSA's!
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:19 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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The answer is in the bold statements. You say there are 5th and 6th in CSA, and the predictions are for MSA's!
gotcha, but msa isn't reflective of the true metro sizes. But if skewing data or selectively using one stat vs. another makes other cities feel better about their size or importance, have at it I suppose.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Houston and Miami are periodically leveled by hurricanes. Miami has one coming. Houston also has to face the issue of the oil industry going down, as that would pull a significant amount of the city down with it. The next fifteen years could bring much change, and it's not beyond ridiculous to assume that that is a challenge the city will have to face.
Even if(or when) the oil industry decimates, Houston wont be affected much because thats not happening anytime soon. Houston already has a diverse economy with the TMC and NASA and the Port, and is a growing technology hub. We are already laying the groundwork for a city braced for the next energy era. Already the biggest buyer of alternative energy, Houston is expecting the largest solar farm in the state. We are known as the Energy Capital of the World, not the Oil Capital, so its expected to have progressive strides in preparation for an oil-less world. We are already building an alternative energy industry. It is a challenge, but its a challenge that we are facing head-on.

Just last year, Hurricane Ike, hit Houston as the 3rd MOST COSTLIEST/ DESTRUCTIVE HURRICANE EVER! And the area doesn't seem damaged, and it certainly didn't slow overall growth in the area(except Galveston and the Bolivar Peninsula area) IF anything, this proves how resilient Houstonians can be. As time passes, hurricanes have little effect on strong cities like Miami and Houston. Ike proved this already.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Houston
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gotcha, but msa isn't reflective of the true metro sizes. But if skewing data or selectively using one stat vs. another makes other cities feel better about their size or importance, have at it I suppose.
I've never been clear on what exactly the difference is between MSA and CSA? I'm assuming CSA involves a larger area.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:44 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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Even if(or when) the oil industry decimates, Houston wont be affected much because thats not happening anytime soon. Houston already has a diverse economy with the TMC and NASA and the Port, and is a growing technology hub.
Ok, this is what a lot of my gripes about Houstoners on here. There's no doubt Houston is an economic powerhouse, but why do people keep saying this line above. Based on the Houston of today, when the oil runs out the city will whither up and die.

What good is the Houston port if there is no oil to ferry away?

The TMC is impressive, but it's not big enough to support an entire economy.

NASA I feel only has a matter of time. Eventually most space travel will be privatized and NASA's role will either diminish or it will go away completely.

I think Houston needs a big dose of reality. If they don't find something(s) to replace oil's role in it's economy, then when the oil is gone get ready to rename the city Detroit II.

But I should point out, it's not like this is going to happen any time soon.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:46 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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I've never been clear on what exactly the difference is between MSA and CSA? I'm assuming CSA involves a larger area.
not always, it is how the census chooses to break up areas... sometimes a metro area for one city is bigger than the csa for another... kind of odd.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Ok, this is what a lot of my gripes about Houstoners on here. There's no doubt Houston is an economic powerhouse, but why do people keep saying this line above. Based on the Houston of today, when the oil runs out the city will whither up and die.

What good is the Houston port if there is no oil to ferry away?

The TMC is impressive, but it's not big enough to support an entire economy.

NASA I feel only has a matter of time. Eventually most space travel will be privatized and NASA's role will either diminish or it will go away completely.

I think Houston needs a big dose of reality. If they don't find something(s) to replace oil's role in it's economy, then when the oil is gone get ready to rename the city Detroit II.

But I should point out, it's not like this is going to happen any time soon.
Because you seem to be the expert on Houston and oil. I'm kind of annoyed by people thinking they know more about Houston than we do (and the experts for that matter). The cities economy has grown exponentially more diverse every decade. It's also in a really good position to be a HUGE player in alternative energy. Houston learned it's lesson after the oil bust in the 80's. If Michigan is smart, I'm sure something similar will happen to Detroit in the next 20 years.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:52 PM
 
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Here are my rough estimates for the top 25 MSAs (current MSAs) in 2025. I have about as much credibility as the Business Journal.

1.New York-Northen NJ 19,700,000
2.Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa-Ana 14,000,000
3.Chicago 10,400,000
4.Dallas-Ft.Worth-Arlington 7,700,000
5.Houston-Sugarland-Baytown 7,400,000
6.Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marrieta 6,800,000
7.Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Miami Beach 6,400,000
8.Washington-DC-Arlington-Alexandria VA 6,300,000
9.Philadephia-Wilmington 6,100,000
10.Riverside-San Bernadino-Ontario 5,800,000
11.Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale 5,600,000
12.Boston-Cambridge-Quincy 4,900,000
13.San Francisco-Oakland-Freemont 4,600,000
14.Detroit-Warren-Livona 4,400,000
15.Seattle-Tacoma-Everett 3,700,000
16.Minneapolis-St.Paul-Bloomington 3,500,000
17.San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos 3,450,00
18.Denver-Aurora 3,350,000
19.Tampa-St.Petersburg-Clearwater 3,300,000
20.Baltimore-Towson 2,900,000
21.St.Louis 2,800,000
22.Orlando-Kissimme 2,750,000
23.Las Vegas-Paradise 2,650,00
24.Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville 2,640,000
25.Portland-Vancouver- 2,600,000
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Umm....

10 Biggest US Metro Areas in 2025
Metro area Projected population
New York City 19,818,478
Los Angeles 14,049,577
Chicago 10,233,137
Dallas-Fort Worth 8,750,408
Houston 7,875,220
Atlanta 7,308,508
Phoenix 6,937,737
Miami-Fort Lauderdale 6,590,616
Washington, D.C. 6,514,361
Philadelphia 6,091,123

what happened to Boston and SF? are they going to lose millions of people?

They already hold the 5-6 spots in CSA and are at 7.5 mil and 7.3 mil respectively...
Your question underlines the inadequacy of the Census' CSA & MSA format. In the case of South Florida, there isn't a CSA. It's all one MSA. CSA's that are de facto "one metro" are excluded from comparisons like this.
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Old 10-29-2009, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Houston
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not always, it is how the census chooses to break up areas... sometimes a metro area for one city is bigger than the csa for another... kind of odd.
So why do they come up with two different classifications for each metro?
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