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Old 04-04-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: America
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You keep focusing on certain neighborhoods. I'm focusing on the entire region as a whole. There is never a controversy on what region Connecticut is actually at compared to Houston or Texas. Again, I never said that Houston was not Southern in this thread. I said that the feel of Southernness is stronger in Savannah than it is in Houston. I also said that the rapidly changing demographics in the region has diluted the Southernness to the city.
you don't get it. you keep bringing up all these points even after i've explained to you how it does not work that way

the neighborhoods i'm talking about are the ROOT of the city. the southern culture that houston originated from. that's what counts

you seem to be suggesting that just because houston is further west that it sits in some sort faded area of the south. it does not. north, south, east, and west of the metro, you are still in the south

houston being questioned as a southern city comes SOLELY from uninformed opinions. people who assume that because there is a high mexican population that the city is somehow directly linked to the southwest.
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Old 04-04-2010, 01:36 PM
 
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Like I said before on this board, I've had conversations with people from Alabama, Georgia, and the Carolinas, and they all think that Texas is just simply out west. I expect people to come in here and say the opposite as well but point is, Texas will be questioned from not until the end of time. I understand TexasReb's stance on Texas being Western South and it still is. But alot has changed in the last 20 year.
I have also. I even posted that question on Facebook "Is Texas In The South", and most responses were it's Southwest, while that may not be true, because East Texas is UNDOUBTEDLY Southern, it should tell you something.
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Old 04-04-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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so what exactly are we implying here? that blacks in these cities don't know any better? or the whites? i still don't see what race has to do with anything

the funny thing about san antonio is you have different regions throughout the metro. i've seen it being said several times that the east side is the most southern area. and that is true. try driving down eisenhauer or foster road into the kirby area and tell me you don't get atleast a southern vibe
Like Spade said, that's where most of the blacks live. In THAT particular case, race has ALOT to do with it, that specific area feels the most Southern, but most of SA doesn't feel like that area. It's like in the same sense as Miami, when you go to the older black neighborhoods, the blacks tend to be more Southern in character and accent then ANY other race in Metro Miami.
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Old 04-04-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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I understand that and that's why I said I expect people will come in here and say the exact opposite. But my point was that Texas Southernness will be questioned by natives and people from other parts of the country because it has it's own vibe and the demographics is far more different than the rest of the South. This does exclude east Texas though which is all Southern.

But hey, that's just like questioning if Virginia is Southern (which it is and is also always questioned).
That's exactly what I was trying to say in my VERY long post. It's Southernness will always be questioned, and not just by people who have never been, but by people who HAVE been to Texas. And if it's Southernness is being questioned that has to say something. OVERALL, the most accurate answer would be East Texas is the WESTERN South, and Central Texas is a HUGE Transitional Zone between the South and the Southwest, HENCE the name SXSW(South By Southwest)for the Festival in Austin.
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Old 04-04-2010, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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That's exactly what I was trying to say in my VERY long post. It's Southernness will always be questioned, and not just by people who have never been, but by people who HAVE been to Texas. And if it's Southernness is being questioned that has to say something. OVERALL, the most accurate answer would be East Texas is the WESTERN South, and Central Texas is a HUGE Transitional Zone between the South and the Southwest, HENCE the name SXSW(South By Southwest)for the Festival in Austin.
Thank you. That's what I'm saying.
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Old 04-04-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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Youíre not going to get flamed because itís true. Texas was a confederate state and black people have strong memory of the past. Texas wasn't any better than the rest of the south. Texas had slaves and plantations. Black Texans where lynched and dragged well up into the 60's. "Sadly" but the south consist of Old confederate states and Texas left the union along with its other southern brothers. Juneteenth is very important to the African American community in Texas because that was the day we were declared free. These new found Americans would not be enjoying the fruits of America if it wasn't for black Americans of the past.


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To reinforce what JLuke said, those were issues of EAST Texas, the rest of the state was underpopulated with Spanish Missions, Native Americans, etc.
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Old 04-04-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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you don't get it. you keep bringing up all these points even after i've explained to you how it does not work that way

the neighborhoods i'm talking about are the ROOT of the city. the southern culture that houston originated from. that's what counts

you seem to be suggesting that just because houston is further west that it sits in some sort faded area of the south. it does not. north, south, east, and west of the metro, you are still in the south

houston being questioned as a southern city comes SOLELY from uninformed opinions. people who assume that because there is a high mexican population that the city is somehow directly linked to the southwest.
And I've explained to you that it DOES work that way. Whether they are the root or not. The region is what matters, not certain neighborhoods. Sure you will have neighborhoods that will hold onto it's old traditions and values. But a neighborhood does not equal an entire region. I never suggested any of that and why you continue to believe this I have no idea. Never once have I said Houston is not in the South. Never once did I say Houston is no longer Southern. I said the Southernness has been diluted because of the changing demographics and Savannah has not seen that taken place in their city. If you disagree, you disagree. Let's live with it.
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Old 04-04-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Austin,Tx
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so what exactly are we implying here? that blacks in these cities don't know any better? or the whites? i still don't see what race has to do with anything

the funny thing about san antonio is you have different regions throughout the metro. i've seen it being said several times that the east side is the most southern area. and that is true. try driving down eisenhauer or foster road into the kirby area and tell me you don't get atleast a southern vibe

San Antonio is considered to be in South Texas
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Old 04-04-2010, 02:25 PM
 
Location: America
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okay, so let's send about half a million hispanics to savannah and tell them they're no longer the south
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Old 04-04-2010, 02:28 PM
 
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Like Spade said, that's where most of the blacks live. In THAT particular case, race has ALOT to do with it, that specific area feels the most Southern, but most of SA doesn't feel like that area. It's like in the same sense as Miami, when you go to the older black neighborhoods, the blacks tend to be more Southern in character and accent then ANY other race in Metro Miami.
why do you all keep bringing up race? race has absolutely nothing to do with what i'm talking about. i'm speaking about the area itself
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