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View Poll Results: Most authentic southern state
Virginia 6 2.78%
North Carolina 7 3.24%
South Carolina 15 6.94%
Georgia 15 6.94%
Florida 4 1.85%
Alabama 39 18.06%
Mississippi 78 36.11%
Louisiana 18 8.33%
Texas 12 5.56%
Arkansas 9 4.17%
Tennessee 10 4.63%
Kentucky 3 1.39%
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:26 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Previously, I don't even think you considered southeastern NC as Deep Southern. So why not the rest of eastern NC and where do you consider the dividing line to be? That whole swath of the state is very, very similar throughout, from Rocky Mount on down to Lumberton.
True, but recalling my experience in Northeastern SC, I've allowed the likelihood that SE NC is one in the same; however, my memories of ENC itself don't seem to have a huge deal of resemblance to what I've always called the Deep South. I simply have trouble placing an area that borders Virginia in the same subregion as Louisiana and Mississippi.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:57 PM
 
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True, but recalling my experience in Northeastern SC, I've allowed the likelihood that SE NC is one in the same; however, my memories of ENC itself don't seem to have a huge deal of resemblance to what I've always called the Deep South. I simply have trouble placing an area that borders Virginia in the same subregion as Louisiana and Mississippi.
Trust and believe, they all belong in the same subregion more or less--and that same area borders SC, which is pretty far removed from LA and MS. Obviously a border or line of demarcation has to exist somewhere, but there's nothing that would cause a sharp division culturally, demographically, economically, geographically, etc. between southeastern NC and the immediate surrounding areas of eastern NC. Economically depressed, large rural Black population where slavery was prominent, agriculture-based economy (cotton, tobacco), etc.--it all fits.
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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Trust and believe, they all belong in the same subregion more or less--and that same area borders SC, which is pretty far removed from LA and MS. Obviously a border or line of demarcation has to exist somewhere, but there's nothing that would cause a sharp division culturally, demographically, economically, geographically, etc. between southeastern NC and the immediate surrounding areas of eastern NC. Economically depressed, large rural Black population where slavery was prominent, agriculture-based economy (cotton, tobacco), etc.--it all fits.
For what it's worth, the original definition of the Deep South was exclusive to LA, MS, AL, GA, and FL.

I see your point, I'm just not 100% on it.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Winter in Phoenix, Summer in Munds Park
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Not to completely discredit your opinion, but I'm not convinced NC could be the most authentic southern state. There's only one small portion of it that's barely in the Deep South.
"Southern Culture" is a generalization that refers to the overall culture of the south. There are multiple southern subcultures. The Deep South is just one of many subcultures found in the South, and i would consider most of Eastern North Carolina to be the Deep South. You have to remember, the Southern Appalachian mountains have a culture all their own.

Ever seen the show Lizard Lick Towing? Takes place in Lizard Lick, NC. If that ain't southern then idk what is!!
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Winter in Phoenix, Summer in Munds Park
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For what it's worth, the original definition of the Deep South was exclusive to LA, MS, AL, GA, and FL.
I tend to agree with your definition. Northern Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky all seem to have a culture rooted in the Appalachians, while Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Southern Georgia, and the Florida Panhandle can be considered Deep South.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:03 AM
 
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For what it's worth, the original definition of the Deep South was exclusive to LA, MS, AL, GA, and FL.

I see your point, I'm just not 100% on it.
But not even all parts of some of those states are characteristically Deep South, like northern AL and GA, and peninsular FL. The Deep South is more of a physiographical region defined by geographic and cultural characteristics instead of sharp state boundaries, and Eastern NC is definitely a part of it on that basis.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:53 AM
 
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Trust and believe, they all belong in the same subregion more or less--and that same area borders SC, which is pretty far removed from LA and MS. Obviously a border or line of demarcation has to exist somewhere, but there's nothing that would cause a sharp division culturally, demographically, economically, geographically, etc. between southeastern NC and the immediate surrounding areas of eastern NC. Economically depressed, large rural Black population where slavery was prominent, agriculture-based economy (cotton, tobacco), etc.--it all fits.
Exactly, NC fits perfectly. Especially the the cotton/tobacco based economy, the textile factories that used to dot the state, and the large rural Black population. Still plenty of rural Blacks in this state(NC).
What also makes NC very Southern and similar to the deep South, is the strong Baptist culture of the state. It's often been said NC is the buckle of the Bible Belt. Home of Billy Grahm and many gospel artist. NC, really doesn't look much diffirent than Northern GA, Northern SC, Northern LA, East Texas, or Northern Miss. NC is where(to me at least) the Deep South and Appalachia meet.

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Old 05-18-2013, 02:01 AM
 
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"Southern Culture" is a generalization that refers to the overall culture of the south. There are multiple southern subcultures. The Deep South is just one of many subcultures found in the South, and i would consider most of Eastern North Carolina to be the Deep South. You have to remember, the Southern Appalachian mountains have a culture all their own.

Ever seen the show Lizard Lick Towing? Takes place in Lizard Lick, NC. If that ain't southern then idk what is!!
I had no ideal Lizard Lick was in NC. I'm telling you, alot of Southern shows, and movies are filmed in NC, especially around the Wilmington area(eastern NC). There's a great portion of big NC cities(especially Charlotte) that are still heavily wooded, and still contain major roads that are only two-lanes. Charlotte is a big, bank, and economically and population boom city. Yet even in Charlotte, there are many areas one would think was straight out of the movie "Deliverance". NC is weird in that regard. It's like the infrastructure is 10yrs late, like they didn't expect Charlottes population to boom like it has in the last 5-10yrs. The light-rail is expanding though. Awesome.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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"Southern Culture" is a generalization that refers to the overall culture of the south. There are multiple southern subcultures. The Deep South is just one of many subcultures found in the South, and i would consider most of Eastern North Carolina to be the Deep South. You have to remember, the Southern Appalachian mountains have a culture all their own.

Ever seen the show Lizard Lick Towing? Takes place in Lizard Lick, NC. If that ain't southern then idk what is!!
I realize all of this, but let's also realize that NC is the arguably most progressive state in the south with a culture and population that seems to become more and more Mid-Atlantic every year. It's definitely southern, but I don't think it's anywhere close to being as southern as Louisiana or Mississippi; Deep South or not.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I realize all of this, but let's also realize that NC is the arguably most progressive state in the south with a culture and population that seems to become more and more Mid-Atlantic every year. It's definitely southern, but I don't think it's anywhere close to being as southern as Louisiana or Mississippi; Deep South or not.
I don't agree NC is becoming Mid-Atlantic at all, regardless of how many transplants are moving here.
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