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View Poll Results: Most authentic southern state
Virginia 6 2.78%
North Carolina 7 3.24%
South Carolina 15 6.94%
Georgia 15 6.94%
Florida 4 1.85%
Alabama 39 18.06%
Mississippi 78 36.11%
Louisiana 18 8.33%
Texas 12 5.56%
Arkansas 9 4.17%
Tennessee 10 4.63%
Kentucky 3 1.39%
Voters: 216. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-18-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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But not even all parts of some of those states are characteristically Deep South, like northern AL and GA, and peninsular FL. The Deep South is more of a physiographical region defined by geographic and cultural characteristics instead of sharp state boundaries, and Eastern NC is definitely a part of it on that basis.
I should've specified that the original definition included parts of those states, but not all of them. I doubt there's any other poster on this site who's got into more debates about what the Deep South is than I, so I'm definitely pretty gung-ho about it.

We'll simply have to agree to disagree. Again, SE North Carolina makes some sense, but I'm just not buying ENC as a whole. I'm clearly not the only one, since any part of the state is rarely included in definitions of the Deep South.

Remember that the term isn't just about black folks and cotton. It's also been used to refer to the original Confederate states of TX, LA, MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, and, today, I think many folks would apply it to the most southern, agriculture heavy parts of those states. Only the broadest and most lenient definitions will include NC.

Just how familiar are you with the central southern states of LA, MS, and AL?
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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I don't agree NC is becoming Mid-Atlantic at all, regardless of how many transplants are moving here.
Yeah I wasn't going to touch that one, LOL. I understand that people are mostly referring to the cultural and demographic shifts that have been taking place within parts of the state when they say that, but still.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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Yeah I wasn't going to touch that one, LOL. I understand that people are mostly referring to the cultural and demographic shifts that have been taking place within parts of the state when they say that, but still.
It's pretty much happening the same way that Atlanta, Houston, and Dallas have been "losing" their southernness.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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It's pretty much happening the same way that Atlanta, Houston, and Dallas have been "losing" their southernness.
True, but it can happen without the place being assigned to another geographic region, although that's tempting to do for places closer to regional borders.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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True, but it can happen without the place being assigned to another geographic region, although that's tempting to do for places closer to regional borders.
Well, I never said it was the Mid-Atlantic, but the influence is certainly there, which why I don't think it's accurate to claim that NC could somehow be the most authentic southern state.

I've heard North Carolinans that speak with an accent that sounds more East Coast than southern.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:19 AM
 
Location: NC
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Well, I never said it was the Mid-Atlantic, but the influence is certainly there, which why I don't think it's accurate to claim that NC could somehow be the most authentic southern state.

I've heard North Carolinans that speak with an accent that sounds more East Coast than southern.
Go 20 miles outside of charlotte and Raleigh and tell me if that's mostly true
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:25 AM
 
Location: NC
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So reversing this list from the results the least authentic southern states are

1. Florida/Virginia (#1)
2. Kentucky
3. North Carolina
4. Georgia/Texas
5. South Carolina
6. Louisiana
7. Alabama
8. Mississippi (#10)

I feel like VA should be after Florida....and Texas should be after Georgia.....for the tie breakers....
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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Well, I never said it was the Mid-Atlantic, but the influence is certainly there, which why I don't think it's accurate to claim that NC could somehow be the most authentic southern state.
I can agree with the last part, but any true mid-Atlantic influence is mostly historic (i.e., Quakers in the Triad, Old Salem, etc.).

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I've heard North Carolinans that speak with an accent that sounds more East Coast than southern.
Transplants most likely.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Most of NC is pretty darn Southern. Most of NC, is characteristically similar to the one slice of Texas that is considered the Deep South(east Texas). In other words, if Austin, SA, and Dallas are considered Southern, most of NC is Southern for sure.
MOST OF NC!!!! All of North Carolina is Southern. That's like saying most of Michigan is Midwestern...North Carolina is 100% Southern in every single respect. As far as the most authentic southern state goes however, I'd probably say it's not. South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana could all be considered among the most authentically Southern states. In addition, I'd throw in Arkansas and Tennessee in with North Carolina...they are all 100% Southern without influences from outside regions.

Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Texas, and Oklahoma I'd all consider majority Southern, but they do have influences from other regions.
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:01 AM
 
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I realize all of this, but let's also realize that NC is the arguably most progressive state in the south with a culture and population that seems to become more and more Mid-Atlantic every year. It's definitely southern, but I don't think it's anywhere close to being as southern as Louisiana or Mississippi; Deep South or not.
Well, NC is progressive. But why should being progressive be marks against a states Southerness? Heck, NC still went slightly red in this past election. I'm not saying it's not progressive, but that doesn't negate NC's prevailing Southern culture.
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