Dallas vs. Atlanta (live, best, better, versus)

[justme02]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

International is where Hartsfield-Jackson lags right now. I know this from having to travel overseas a lot to Asia/Europe and always having to change planes at LAX, JFK, MLP, DTW.

Actually no. ATL has a huge amount of international flights. It has what its flight banks and O&D can support. The new terminal wont really add that many (if any) new international destinations.

Certain destinations work very well and certain destinations flop from ATL. Korean Air flies to ATL daily and the flight does extremely well. On the other hand, Delta tried flying to Shanghai from ATL and it was one of the biggest failures in airline history. Every time the plane took off, Delta lost an average of 30,000 dollars. They have since shifted the flight to Detroit and its doing very well there.

Same goes with DFW although American is extremely conservative and doesnt take very many chances.

[WestbankNOLA]

Originally Posted by RudeBoy21

People are now trying to find ways to Take that title from Atlanta for being the worlds busiest airport..... Please give that a rest its the buisest airport and probably will still be in next years numbers

It's called a FACT and nowhere did it say that ATL wasn't the busiest. It just broke down the O&D numbers .

Seriously.

Originally Posted by waronxmas

That's just par for the course on CD for Atlanta. There's the example you gave with the Airport, then there is also:

-Our skyline isn't all that impressive because it has gaps
-Coke is just a sugar water company
-CNN isn't relavent since most of it's high profile shows are taped out of NYC
-It's not really the Black Mecca because black people can do well elsewhere

Just nonsense really.

In more ways than one

[justme02]

Originally Posted by RudeBoy21

People are now trying to find ways to Take that title from Atlanta for being the worlds busiest airport..... Please give that a rest its the buisest airport and probably will still be in next years numbers

You do know that the numbers posted are unrelated to total passenger traffic. Just O&D numbers.

[RudeBoy21]

Originally Posted by ladarron

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[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by LAnative10

Actually no. ATL has a huge amount of international flights. It has what its flight banks and O&D can support. The new terminal wont really add that many (if any) new international destinations.

Certain destinations work very well and certain destinations flop from ATL. Korean Air flies to ATL daily and the flight does extremely well. On the other hand, Delta tried flying to Shanghai from ATL and it was one of the biggest failures in airline history. Every time the plane took off, Delta lost an average of 30,000 dollars. They have since shifted the flight to Detroit and its doing very well there.

Same goes with DFW although American is extremely conservative and doesnt take very many chances.

I'll defer to you on knowledge about airports, but I think it's going to position Atlanta quite well to be an even bigger international hub. About the flight to Shanghai, I think a big reason that failed was due to the fact that Delta was betting on China doing more investment in Atlanta/the Southeast and that all fell through when the recession hit.

[RudeBoy21]

Originally Posted by LAnative10

You do know that the numbers posted are unrelated to total passenger traffic. Just O&D numbers.

Yeah I know that but people are assuming that, because of the way he or she broke it down.

[WestbankNOLA]

How does someone making an assumption = "People are now trying to find ways to Take that title from Atlanta" ?

[kdogg817]

ATL will be the "World Busiest Airport for years to come" I understand that Atlantans take good pride in being the world busiest and rightfully so.

[justme02]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

I'll defer to you on knowledge about airports, but I think it's going to position Atlanta quite well to be an even bigger international hub. About the flight to Shanghai, I think a big reason that failed was due to the fact that Delta was betting on China doing more investment in Atlanta/the Southeast and that all fell through when the recession hit.

Actually the reason is that there isnt much high yeilding traffic between Atlanta and the Southeast and China. The majority of High-Yielding traffic between Atlanta and Asia in Northeast Asia (Tokyo and Seoul).

The reason Delta attempted to fly to Shanghai from Atlanta was that it was pre-Northwest merger and they didnt have another viable hub to try it from. After the merger, they had Detroit as an option. China isnt an open skies market (which means that airlines cant start flights at their will). The airlines have to apply for frequencies from the Chinese government which are given once a year (7 weekly frequencies a year/One Daily flight a year for all airlines to fight for). So for an airline to cancel a flight and forefit those frequencies, the flight has to be really bad.

The funny thing is the DFW is exactly the same way. Most of the high-yielding traffic from DFW to Asia is also to Tokyo and Seoul, but there is a little more to Singapore, Vietnam, and Hong Kong. Still DFW-China is a pretty low-yield market too. Houston is the only city in the South that has a high-yield market to China. But Houston-Seoul is extremely low-yield, so its a trade off.

Theres a reason Korean Air flies to DFW and ATL but not Houston, just like theres a reason Singapore Airlines flies to Houston and not the other two.

Another thing to consider is that ATL just isnt in a good geographic location to feed traffic from the Northeast to China which the market they are really aiming at with the Atlanta/Detroit-Shanghai flights. Detroit is closer. ATL-Shanghai is also longer than Detroit-Shanghai and longer flights cost more to operate.

[grindin]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

You basically just implied and than you said it. Dallas from 1995-2000 was second in the country in migration of black americans. So please don't for one second think Dallas is not an attractive place for African Americans. Black media is a huge part of the influx of African Ameicans into Atlanta based more on hype than reality. Like I mention and a previous poster mention there are plenty of metro areas that are just as attractive as Atlanta for African Americans. Atlanta is no black mecca and there has never been a black mecca in America. Just for the record Birmingham and the state of Alabama was the center of the civil rights movement.

I guess you'll just keep repeating this and it'll become true? We've stated why Atlanta can be considered a "black mecca", and yet you and some of the other Texans on this board continue to ignore it. SMDH.

No one here is denying that Houston and Dallas are attractive places for African Americans, and we're not denying the history of both cities. I think they are wonderful places for African-Americans to live in. But whether people like it or not, Atlanta serves as the regional hub/center of the Southeast, where most black people in this country live, therefore it is perceived to be a more attractive choice (since people are on here misinterpreting posts, please note that I am saying "perceived" and not what is). Houston and Dallas are on the edges of this region, and while they are attracting and drawing blacks, those two metro areas are not attracting them in the same numbers (percentage wise) as Atlanta. Some people prefer Atlanta, some people prefer Texas. Whatever. Also, the Atlanta metropolitan area is at least 33% black, while Dallas/Ft. Worth is around 14% and Houston is around 18%. So the numbers are a bit smaller compared to Atlanta.

I can also mention that Atlanta is a center of black education as well. You have Morehouse, Spelman, Clark Atlanta, Morris Brown (whom I hope can get it together). In Dallas, you have what, Paul Quinn College, which is always on the verge of losing their accreditation. In Houston, you have Texas Southern and Prairie View A&M which is outside of town, both fine institutions in their own right, but nowhere near as prominent as the AUC colleges. Sorry.


And if you think that Atlanta wasn't the center of the Civil Rights movement, you need to brush up on your history a bit more. While I'm not denying Alabama's contributions (as they were major), Atlanta was a major player in the civil rights movement, mainly because of the more progressive nature of the city at the time compared to Birmingham. The battles may have played out in Birmingham and Selma, but the strategic plans happened in Atlanta.


*steps off soapbox* I know I'm wasting my time, because people are going to believe what the hell they want to anyhow and why let facts and history get in the way of a good argument and homerism?

Dallas does have better shopping though. But hey, we have Bloomingdales and H&M!