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A city of over 8 million and you expect to not have traffic? Traffic isn't a NY thing, it's an American-city thing. Welcome to the United States.You know what empty streets are a sign of? A lifeless city.
It's so easy to say since there is none in your neighbohood. Remember, we not only "hang out" in New York. We live here.
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PS: Bumping tolls to NJ won't alleviate traffic coming from points east and north.
Yes it would. It would deter all those cul-de-sac'ers from taking their cars to New York City for a weekend drive. New Yorkers take public transportation so can you...
Oh so correct me if I'm wrong, NYC doesn't need NJ's ports (largest on east coast)? It doesn't need NJ's manufacturing/industrial capacities? Where would NYC be w/o NJ I ask? According to your logic, NYC should be thanking NJ for the use of its ports, and supporting Manhattan's financial districts i.e. WTC.
Still, there are more New Jerseyans working in New York than vice versa.
Without New York there would not be as many good cars and nice houses in New Jersey. Have some respect.
It's so easy to say since there is none in your neighbohood. Remember, we not only "hang out" in New York. We live here.
Yes it would. It would deter all those cul-de-sac'ers from taking their cars to New York City for a weekend drive. New Yorkers take public transportation so can you...
How can you possibly say there is none in my neighborhood? I happen to live in a dense area, near a large mall that carries an ocean of NY license plates (especially on weekends).
Additionally, you do realize there are drive-in commuters from CT, PA, Qns, Stat Isl. etc.?
PS: I usually only prefer public trans over driving to NY.
Still, there are more New Jerseyans working in New York than vice versa.
Without New York there would not be as many good cars and nice houses in New Jersey. Have some respect.
What difference does that make? Of course there are more NJans working in NY
Without NJ, NY could not have supported the size it has reached. What is the brain w/o the body? Would the WTC (the premier office destination in NYC) have been built if it weren't for the PortAuth NY/NJ?
Those finance jobs would not have had the workforce to sustain themselves. That's a simple trait of metro-economics (otherwise, the NY metro would not be as large as it is)
As far as respect...you should practice what you preach.
Again, you are talking about Manhattan. It is the central point of the region. I don't think anyone is disputing that fact. However, I know very, very, very few people in NJ who work in the outer boroughs.
If you would read some of the back pages before jumping into the conversation, you would know why this thread was created in the first place.
You are letting your blind provincialism get in the way of comprehension & a firm grasp of the conversation at hand.
I'm quoting myself in an effort for you to respond.
This thread has a specific origin (hence, the name of the title & the exclusion of Manhattan). Yet you are jumping in head first like you know what you are talking about.
You are intentionally taking this thread off topic.
You realize there is huge difference over traffic on highways such as route 17 and on actuall city streets next to your house...
Make it a habit. I really hope the tolls are raised soon...
Traffic is traffic in my book. I'm affected by rt's 1& 9. And on the weekends, especially near Jersey Gardens there's almost as many NY plates as NJ plates.
The difference between you and I is this:
I understand the traffic as merely a symptom of interstate commerce...and necessary at that. NY and NJ didn't grow b/c of this type of bickering. For the better of the metro...you'll have agencies like PortAuth NY/NJ.
And I'm sure you've travelled to other cities, traffic is a city thing, toll raising isn't exactly going to fix that. Ever been to LA? Smaller than NY, but more traffic. The day you don't see traffic in NY...be afraid.
What difference does that make? Of course there are more NJans working in NY
Well it simple, New York provides New Jerseyans with income.
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Without NJ, NY could not have supported the size it has reached. What is the brain w/o the body? Would the WTC (the premier office destination in NYC) have been built if it weren't for the PortAuth NY/NJ?
Someone else would build it. It's not like WTC is the only office building in the city... I have no idea what business has Port Authority in developing office space in the city. That's not what the agency has been created for.. It was supposed to be about ports, airports, bridges and tunnels...
Well it simple, New York provides New Jerseyans with income.
Someone else would build it. It's not like WTC is the only office building in the city... I have no idea what business has Port Authority in developing office space in the city. That's not what the agency has been created for.. It was supposed to be about ports, airports, bridges and tunnels...
So you admittedly don't know the full function of PortAuth NY/NJ, but yet you're trying to argue on these points? WTC is not a single office building it's a complex BTW.
You say, New York provides NJan's with income...we'll go with that...but then you have to say that NJ provides NY with international shipping traffic capabilities....which is commerce
Traffic is traffic in my book. I'm affected by rt's 1& 9.
Is your house located directly on route 1&9? Does the entrance to your house face the road and traffic?
It's very different when you have traffic on the highway and on your block.
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And on the weekends, especially near Jersey Gardens there's almost as many NY plates as NJ plates.
[quote=66nexus;12257623]And how would you feel if it was the case 7 days a week?
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The difference between you and I is this:
I understand the traffic as merely a symptom of interstate commerce...and necessary at that.
I see. You see traffic as necessary because it is not traffic on your block. It is not something that you have to deal with each and every day. I understand.
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NY and NJ didn't grow b/c of this type of bickering. For the better of the metro...you'll have agencies like PortAuth NY/NJ.
And I'm sure you've travelled to other cities, traffic is a city thing, toll raising isn't exactly going to fix that. Ever been to LA? Smaller than NY, but more traffic. The day you don't see traffic in NY...be afraid.
Since you don't live here you don't get it. No traffic would be scary but less traffic would be a blessing. The mayor had several plans based on London's experiences with dealing with congestion but I think raising tolls together with HOV lanes is the easiest way to limit traffic in the city.
So you admittedly don't know the full function of PortAuth NY/NJ, but yet you're trying to argue on these points? WTC is not a single office building it's a complex BTW.
I know it is a complex, I was a frequent visitor and just 10 blocks aways the the towers collapsed. As far as the fucntion of PA is concerned I thing the agency got out of control.
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You say, New York provides NJan's with income...we'll go with that...but then you have to say that NJ provides NY with international shipping traffic capabilities....which is commerce
Yeah and again New York created thousands of jobs in Newark, Elisabeth and vicinity. What would you be withouth the city???
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