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Old 01-04-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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character because that is the REAL ny experience. the real experience is getting up in the morning, getting some breakfast along the way to work, getting on the train, going into the city and going to work.

none of this oh i live in manhattan, apple cinnamon raisin granola bar eating while i walk the poodle, yoga practicing CRAP you see on tv.

the accent, the swagger, the personality, all of that is from Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, and certain areas in Manhattan, IMHO. the ppl you see on tv or the movies that are from ny, they are from the other boroughs 9 times out of 10. the accents that ppl cling to, the swagger, the expressions, etc. are outer borough.

oh you like that style? you like the way we dress? you like our work ethic? thats outer borough.

you like how we carry ourselves with dignity, how we don't take no for an answer, how we find a way when there seemingly is no way? how we're known not to take anything from anyone?

thats us.

we are relevant because we are. the facts are out there. WE had kids in cali breakdancing and trying to spit verses. WE have kids in tx with yankee fitteds on. WE are responsible for your screw tapes because without us there is no you. no paul walls, no swisha houses, no scarfaces (who was on def jam started by who? yeah, thats right a person from queens), no snoops, no pacs (a nyer), none of that. no nwa's, no dres, etc.

can't act like the world wasn't fascinated by movements that started here. WITHOUT manhattan.

you can't act like ppl don't like those 27 championships from a bronx team. can't act like ppl weren't captivated by wu tang, from staten island. wu tang has kids from kosovo calling each other Gods and asking what today's math is.

we are relevant, like it or not.

nobody really cares about jersey either. i'm sorry. atlantic city is the east coast las vegas. but then what? what???

no, we don't have another manhattan in nyc, although brooklyn could be in the far future, but we are like 5 different cities in one. each can hold their own. bring on your casinos, we have baseball teams, we have parks, we have attractions. we have ethnic enclaves.

BUT we are in close proximity to manhattan so ppl might not see them.

whats you guys excuse????
You can say the same about the metro area. Since Manhattan is the heart of NYC, the outer boroughs are mere counties like Bergen, Hudson, Union, Essex, and Nassau counties. NNJ and LI use Manhattan just as much as any other borough, the only difference is that they're not apart NYC. (but they're still are included in the NYC metro)
NNJ has a similar accent, swager, and work ethic as well. So Im not seing what you're getting at with your argument.

Without Manhattan, the boroughs wouldn't be the same. That's another thing I can point out in your argument that you seem to forget. Manhattan Island was where NYC began, it's the heart of the city. New Jersey and the outer boroughs grew at the same rate.

New Jersey has AC and the whole shore line. There's a show about it "The Jersey Shore", but unfortunately, the majority of the characters are from NY. (one is from NJ, and she's considered the sweet heart while the rest are embaresments)

The Jersey Shore = Most popular show on MYV right now
The Sopranos = The most successful TV show in history (which displayed the epitomy of NNJ's culture)
The Real NJ houswives= the most successful housewives series.

I'm just so blown away when you say no one cares about NJ when a lot of the media's success seems to come out of NJ because it's so entertaining.

Brooklyn the next Manhattan, maybe.
Jersey City is going through a lot of urban growth. It's population is predicted to climb over 300K in the near future (due to it's business oppurtnities). Jersey City will be a city NJ will soon be very proud of.

Some of you NYers think just because your cities great your poo smells like roses.
Instead of constantly bashing NJ for your own insecure sake, why not deal with valid points. I'm not bashing NYC to get my point across, why do you all do? I guess NJians are just smarter than that, and if that's the next argument, then bring it on.

 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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How do these things not identify with NJ ???

And who said cherries? That's the west coast, dude. NJ is famous for it's tomatoes, corn, blueberries, and cranberries. WORLD FAMOUS. Are there any foods that are specifically famous from the 4 outer boroughs?

I'm still waiting on a list like this for the boroughs. Where is it? List more than 10 things.


Thomas Edison invented LIGHT in NJ, lol (West Orange, NJ)

Les Paul invented the solid-body electric guitar (Mahwah, NJ) which changed music forever.

Movies (motion pictures) were invented in NJ.

Baseball started in NJ.

College football started in NJ.

Brewing beer in the US started in NJ (America's first brewery, Hoboken NJ)

Frank Sinatra.

World famous Jersey Tomatoes.

World famous Jersey cranberries and blueberries.

Taylor ham invented in NJ, and only available in NJ.

Monopoly, the world's most famous board game, is based on Atlantic City, NJ.

^the boardwalk was invented in Atlantic City, and is the world's longest.

There are more Cubans in Union City, NJ than in Havana Cuba.

RADIO was invented in NJ.

TV was invented in NJ.

the Jersey Shore Sound:
Jersey Shore sound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You going to have to back that up with some links or something. Most of those inventions are credited to many different minds. To label them as new jersey culture is crazy. TAYLOR HAM?. Come on Duke
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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You going to have to back that up with some links or something. Most of those inventions are credited to many different minds. To label them as new jersey culture is crazy. TAYLOR HAM?. Come on Duke
I don't think your getting the point.
NJ = the Innovative state. It's a part of NJ's culture.
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by tommyc_37 View Post
How do these things not identify with NJ ???

And who said cherries? That's the west coast, dude. NJ is famous for it's tomatoes, corn, blueberries, and cranberries. WORLD FAMOUS. Are there any foods that are specifically famous from the 4 outer boroughs?
No, we are a city not some da*n farmland. We are talking about cultural relevance TODAY and all you can come up with is the list of inventions from hundred years ago and then finally corn and tomatoes
What exactly makes New Jersey culturally relevant today or in the past 20 years? You got nothing on our film studios and arts... Stick to tomatoes but don't claim cultural relevance...

Talking about food, Peter Luger by many considered the best stake house in New York is located in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. We have actual China town in Flushing and little Italies in both Brooklyn and the Bronx. Can you reall compete with our food? How? When? Stop embarassing yourself comparing endless suburbia of New Jersey to a 6.5 million super dense and diverse city...
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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You going to have to back that up with some links or something. Most of those inventions are credited to many different minds. To label them as new jersey culture is crazy. TAYLOR HAM?. Come on Duke
LOL @ you calling me Duke.

Anyway, yes, Taylor Ham is a NJ creation that the state is known for. People ask for it when they are in NJ. As a teen, I worked at a well-known bagel store in Westfield and people who were visiting the area would specifically ask for it.

So, while Taylor Ham is a regional NJ thing, NJ's produce is world famous. Outside of San Marzano tomatoes (a very expensive tomato that is only grown in one region of Italy), a Jersey Tomatoe is wisely considered the best. NJ is also world famous for it's corn, and it's cranberry bogs are a sight to be seen.

Let's start nice and easy for ya -- are there any foods that were created or first harvested in any of the 4 outer boroughs?
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:28 PM
 
Location: THE THRONE aka-New York City
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You can say the same about the metro area. Since Manhattan is the heart of NYC, the outer boroughs are mere counties like Bergen, Hudson, Union, Essex, and Nassau counties. NNJ and LI use Manhattan just as much as any other borough, the only difference is that they're not apart NYC. (but they're still are included in the NYC metro)
NNJ has a similar accent, swager, and work ethic as well. So Im not seing what you're getting at with your argument.

The boroughs are the boroughs and have no direct relationship with NNJ. NYC operates within itself. Why nnj thinks its apart of the family is beyond me and weird to me as a new yorker. Manhattan is the heart, the seven million in the other boroughs are veins. NNJ is an add on just because its close. In no way is nnj apart of the immediate fabric of the city whole. A metro has nothing to do with the city. NNJ exist within my metro than. NYC is five boroughs no matter how you slice it. I live in NYC u live in the NYC metro. The borroughs have nothing to do with bergen county or any other county. The nnj accent and swagger are products of brooklyn,bronx,stisl and queens. Thats what we've been trying to say

Without Manhattan, the boroughs wouldn't be the same. That's another thing I can point out in your argument that you seem to forget. Manhattan Island was where NYC began, it's the heart of the city. New Jersey and the outer boroughs grew at the same rate.

New jersey grew under new jersey. The boroughs grew as NYC. And to be technical the Bronx was always apart of NEW York county. And when the five borough system took off, thats when Nyc took off

New Jersey has AC and the whole shore line. There's a show about it "The Jersey Shore", but unfortunately, the majority of the characters are from NY. (one is from NJ, and she's considered the sweet heart while the rest are embaresments)

Doesnt matter. Ya leech off our culture so much and now ya complaining.

The Jersey Shore = Most popular show on MYV right now
The Sopranos = The most successful TV show in history (which displayed the epitomy of NNJ's culture)GANGSTER MOB CULTURE? NO THATS NY
The Real NJ houswives= the most successful housewives series.


Brooklyn the next Manhattan, maybe.
Jersey City is going through a lot of urban growth. It's population is predicted to climb over 300K in the near future (due to it's business oppurtnities). Jersey City will be a city NJ will soon be very proud of.

I just don't get why you NYers think just because your cities greatmeans your poo smells like roses.
Instead of constantly bashing NJ for your own insecure sake, why not deal with valid points. I'm not bashing NYC to get my point across, why do you all do? I guess NJians are just smarter than that, and if that's the next argument, then bring it on.

Dont make new yorkers out to be the bad ones. This thread was made in DEFENSE to the ignorance that was coming from jerseyans
^
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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No, we are a city not some countryside. We are talking about cultural relevance TODAY and all you can come up with is the list of inventions from hundred years ago and then finally corn and tomatoes
What exactly makes New Jersey culturally relevant today or in the past 20 years? You got nothing on our film studios and arts... Stick to tomatoes but don't claim cultural relevance...

Talking about food, Peter Luger by many considered the best stake house in New York is located in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. We have actual China town in Flushing and little Italies in both Brooklyn and the Bronx. Can you reall compete with our food? How? When? Stop embarassing yourself comparing endless suburbia of New Jersey to a 6.5 million super dense and diverse city...
NJ can 100%, absolutely, positively compete with the food in the outer boroughs. Manhattan, no (no region can...it's the heart of the city) ... but outer boroughs, yup, Jersey has got you matched.
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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No, we are a city not some countryside. We are talking about cultural relevance TODAY and all you can come up with is the list of inventions from hundred years ago and then finally corn and tomatoes
What exactly makes New Jersey culturally relevant today or in the past 20 years? You got nothing on our film studios and arts... Stick to tomatoes but don't claim cultural relevance...

Talking about food, Peter Luger by many considered the best stake house in New York is located in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. We have actual China town in Flushing and little Italies in both Brooklyn and the Bronx. Can you reall compete with our food? How? When? Stop embarassing yourself comparing endless suburbia of New Jersey to a 6.5 million super dense and diverse city...
How about the NJPAC in Newark which was established about 20 years or so ago. It's home to the Grammy award winning orchestra and it's noted as one of the most successful performing arts centers. It also see's the most diverse audience than any other PAC.

The Meadowlands stadium. Whether or not it's a NY team, it serves as a NYC metro area team (hence why the stadium is in NJ). You cant expect NJ to come up with their own team when the Eagles are at one end of NJ and The Gians AND Jets at the other.

Jersey City is home to more artist than NYC's art district, SoHo.

And nah, the motion picture industry started in NJ. I've never seen so many people ignorantly deny something without any type of proof proving other wise.
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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I think it's funny how according to KONY, NJ and NY were inhabited and developed at the same time in history, and yet NJ WATCHED IN AWE as New York City formulated a culture and an accent. Then....THEN, the great hardworking people of NJ (collectively, mind you) decided that it'd probably be best to EMULATE NYC's culture! Accents and all!

Oh man! You cannot make this stuff up!

KONY, as frustrating as you are to "argue" with ... at least you have provided the proud people of NJ with some serious, serious comedy.
 
Old 01-04-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: New York
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I think it's funny how according to KONY, NJ and NY were inhabited and developed at the same time in history, and NJ WATCHED IN AWE as New York City formulated a culture and an accent. Then....THEN, the great hardworking people of NJ (collectively, mind you) decided that it'd probably be best to EMULATE NYC's culture! Accents and all!

Oh man! You cannot make this stuff up!

KONY, as frustrating as you are to "argue" with ... at least you have provided the proud people of NJ with some serious, serious comedy.
Lmao.
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