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Ask people in places like Detroit and St. Louis if growth sucks. You might find out that the opposite of growth is what really sucks.
Yes, severe declines probably suck worse, but I don't find that to be a meaningful comparison right now.
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Originally Posted by Akhenaton06
Maybe you mean rapid growth. Modest growth isn't so bad.
Rapid growth is a major problem.
People who stand to benefit financially from rapid growth probably like it, though.
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I'm still not understanding how growth correlates selling your soul. Can you give some specifics. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
"Soul" is an abstract concept. "Growth" is tangible and easily measured.
When a forest is bulldozed and 20 acres of new vinyl tract homes are built, we can measure its positive impact on property taxes, incomes, and jobs. It is much harder to measure its impact on quality of life, like clean air, clean water, healthy ecosystems, friendly neighbors, politically informed voters, and just generally having a population that exhibits a lifelong interest in the land, the people, and the local way of life.
Yes, severe declines probably suck worse, but I don't find that to be a meaningful comparison right now.
Rapid growth is a major problem.
People who stand to benefit financially from rapid growth probably like it, though.
"Soul" is an abstract concept. "Growth" is tangible and easily measured.
When a forest is bulldozed and 20 acres of new vinyl tract homes are built, we can measure its positive impact on property taxes, incomes, and jobs. It is much harder to measure its impact on quality of life, like clean air, clean water, healthy ecosystems, friendly neighbors, politically informed voters, and just generally having a population that exhibits a lifelong interest in the land, the people, and the local way of life.
Ok. Now I see where you're coming from and I can agree with you on this. However, growth doesn't correlate to selling your soul, and soul is the abstract term you used not me. Bad growth and haphazard sprawl is bad. But growth is necessary and is quite beneficial. What we need for the Carolinas is smart growth. I like Portland's model but with less government oversight.
Well if rapid growth is bad Iv never heard of the Raleigh area ever having any problems they have kept up quite well and they have the fast growing metro in the US.
"Soul" is an abstract concept. "Growth" is tangible and easily measured.
When a forest is bulldozed and 20 acres of new vinyl tract homes are built, we can measure its positive impact on property taxes, incomes, and jobs. It is much harder to measure its impact on quality of life, like clean air, clean water, healthy ecosystems, friendly neighbors, politically informed voters, and just generally having a population that exhibits a lifelong interest in the land, the people, and the local way of life.
So technically you're decrying sprawl, not necessarily growth. But unfortunately, that's the form the vast majority of growth takes these days. I think we may have reached a turning point with regard to sprawl, though. The next couple of years will reveal whether that's true or not.
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Well if rapid growth is bad Iv never heard of the Raleigh area ever having any problems they have kept up quite well and they have the fast growing metro in the US.
It's not all peaches and cream there or here. Traffic congestion, pollution, etc. are all prices to pay for rapid growth in the age of sprawl. Those ill effects are easier to see in larger metro areas that have experienced rapid growth over the past several years like Atlanta, Phoenix, Dallas, Las Vegas, etc. Hopefully we'll learn from our mistakes sooner rather than later.
It's not all peaches and cream there or here. Traffic congestion, pollution, etc. are all prices to pay for rapid growth in the age of sprawl. Those ill effects are easier to see in larger metro areas that have experienced rapid growth over the past several years like Atlanta, Phoenix, Dallas, Las Vegas, etc. Hopefully we'll learn from our mistakes sooner rather than later.
Well hopefully we do and we can make the best out of it instead! That way other cities in the future can look and see how we done it!
Growth is fine, it's sprawl that sucks. You can have growth without sprawl.
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