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Old 01-08-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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I'm pretty sure that some of these statistics are outdated (from March 2009), so if anyone works in the airline industry and could correct me, I would greatly appreciate it. Some of these statistics are actually a great surprise to me:

On page 28 of http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Fil...vel_report.pdf

These statistics were gathered by gathering all the boardings from each airport within a MSA and then adding them to get the final number.

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1) Miami-New York City: 8.7M
2) Los Angeles-San Francisco: 6.3M
3) Miami-Atlanta: 5.04M
4) Chicago-New York: 4.7M
5) Atlanta-New York: 4.5M
6) Los Angeles-New York: 4.3M
7) New York-Orlando: 4.0M
8) New York-London: 3.8M
9) Las Vegas-Los Angeles: 3.7M
10) Los Angeles-Phoenix: 3.4M

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11) Chicago-Los Angeles 3.3 million
12) New York-San Francisco 2.98 million
13) Dallas-Houston 2.9 million
14) Atlanta-Orlando 2.8 million
15) Dallas-Los Angeles 2.78 million
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Old 01-08-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I'm pretty sure that some of these statistics are outdated (from March 2009), so if anyone works in the airline industry and could correct me, I would greatly appreciate it. Some of these statistics are actually a great surprise to me:

On page 28 of http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/reports/2009/1008_air_travel_tomer_puentes/1008_air_travel_report.pdf

These statistics were gathered by gathering all the boardings from each airport within a MSA and then adding them to get the final number.

[SIZE=2]
1) Miami-New York City: 8.7M
2) Los Angeles-San Francisco: 6.3M
3) Miami-Atlanta: 5.04M
4) Chicago-New York: 4.7M
5) Atlanta-New York: 4.5M
6) Los Angeles-New York: 4.3M
7) New York-Orlando: 4.0M
8) New York-London: 3.8M
9) Las Vegas-Los Angeles: 3.7M
10) Los Angeles-Phoenix: 3.4M

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11) Chicago-Los Angeles 3.3 million
12) New York-San Francisco 2.98 million
13) Dallas-Houston 2.9 million
14) Atlanta-Orlando 2.8 million
15) Dallas-Los Angeles 2.78 million
San Jose should be counted for SF and Ontario should be counted for LA. Furthermore, plenty of people in Solano County use Sacramento to fly to SoCal plenty of people from Riverside County actually fly out of San Diego.

In actuality, the busiest corridor in the world is Southern CA-Northern CA.

Furthermore,
much of that is simply hub traffic. People not really going to those places but only flying through on their way to somewhere else.

That is evidenced by the absence of the DC Metro.

Its one thing for numbers to be inflated on account of hubs, but when we weigh airports based on actual Point Of Origin and Destination Passengers(O&D), the rankings are very different.

if there were no hubs, and all service was simply point to point the 10 busiest markets would be...
1. New York
2. Los Angeles
3. Washington
4. San Francisco
5. Chicago
6. Miami
7. Las Vegas
8. Orlando
9. Dallas/Ft. Worth
10. Atlanta

Metro Area /Annual O&D Passengers/ % of all Passengers/ Number of Airports
New York...23,131,981...44.60%...6 airports
Los Angeles...21,601,626...56.70%...6 airports
DC-Baltimore...16,603,673...55.50%...3 airports
SF Bay Area...15,822,839...60.44%..3 airports
Chicago...15,714,601...40.00%...2 airports
Miami...14,414,116...46.10%...3 airports
Las Vegas...13,237,978...65.50%...1 airport
Orlando...12,315,240...67.60%...2 airports
Dallas-Ft Worth...10,783,437...34.60%...2 airports
Atlanta...10,252,745...23.80%...1 airport
Phoenix...9,781,240...51.60%...1 airport
Denver...9,728,207...40.00%...1 airport
Boston...8,085,813...67.00%...1 airport
Seattle...7,851,056...53.10%...1 airport
Philadelphia...7,576,660...50.90%...1 airport
Houston...7,062,801...29.90%...2 airports
Tampa...7,034,565...79.20%...1 airport
San Diego...6,559,802...80.30%...1 airport
Minneapolis...6,226,219...38.50%...1 airport
Detroit...5,996,168...38.20%...1 airport

Contents (http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-50%20Role_files/consumerairfarereport.htm - broken link)

I think its more accurate to do this by metro because all of the markets that have multiple airports serve basically the same customer base. They are flying into or out of the exact same area.
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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San Jose should be counted for SF and Ontario should be counted for LA. Furthermore, plenty of people in Solano County use Sacramento to fly to SoCal plenty of people from Riverside County actually fly out of San Diego.

In actuality, the busiest corridor in the world is Southern CA-Northern CA.

Furthermore,
much of that is simply hub traffic. People not really going to those places but only flying through on their way to somewhere else.

That is evidenced by the absence of the DC Metro.

Its one thing for numbers to be inflated on account of hubs, but when we weigh airports based on actual Point Of Origin and Destination Passengers(O&D), the rankings are very different.

if there were no hubs, and all service was simply point to point the 10 busiest markets would be...
1. New York
2. Los Angeles
3. Washington
4. San Francisco
5. Chicago
6. Miami
7. Las Vegas
8. Orlando
9. Dallas/Ft. Worth
10. Atlanta

Metro Area /Annual O&D Passengers/ % of all Passengers/ Number of Airports
New York...23,131,981...44.60%...6 airports
Los Angeles...21,601,626...56.70%...6 airports
DC-Baltimore...16,603,673...55.50%...3 airports
SF Bay Area...15,822,839...60.44%..3 airports
Chicago...15,714,601...40.00%...2 airports
Miami...14,414,116...46.10%...3 airports
Las Vegas...13,237,978...65.50%...1 airport
Orlando...12,315,240...67.60%...2 airports
Dallas-Ft Worth...10,783,437...34.60%...2 airports
Atlanta...10,252,745...23.80%...1 airport
Phoenix...9,781,240...51.60%...1 airport
Denver...9,728,207...40.00%...1 airport
Boston...8,085,813...67.00%...1 airport
Seattle...7,851,056...53.10%...1 airport
Philadelphia...7,576,660...50.90%...1 airport
Houston...7,062,801...29.90%...2 airports
Tampa...7,034,565...79.20%...1 airport
San Diego...6,559,802...80.30%...1 airport
Minneapolis...6,226,219...38.50%...1 airport
Detroit...5,996,168...38.20%...1 airport

Contents (http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-50%20Role_files/consumerairfarereport.htm - broken link)

I think its more accurate to do this by metro because all of the markets that have multiple airports serve basically the same customer base. They are flying into or out of the exact same area.
Thanks for that! I'd rep this post, but I have to spread it around first before I can rep you.

I agree with you that Brookings Methodology was weird, so that's why I was hoping someone would have a better methodology/report than that. How did you calculate the corridors based on the link you gave me?
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:29 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Awesome post, very interesting but the findings don't really surprise me. I could have guessed all of them for NY except Atlanta, but it makes sense considering that Atlanta is a hub; I'm sure it's not that so many NY/NJ area people are visiting Atlanta as much as they are connecting there to go to other cities.

I know that just out of Newark the most frequent flights reflect those corridors. There are anywhere from 5 to 8 flights, nonstop, daily to places like L.A., Miami, Orlando, West Palm, Fort Lauderdale, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, and many others that are not even on the list.

Good stuff!
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:23 PM
 
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So, we're not talking busiest airports - but busiest corridors? The busiest airports in the world are (in order) Atlanta, Chicago, London, Tokyo and Paris. You're talking corridors?
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Old 01-08-2010, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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So, we're not talking busiest airports - but busiest corridors? The busiest airports in the world are (in order) Atlanta, Chicago, London, Tokyo and Paris. You're talking corridors?
Yeah, the thread title says 'air corridors' meaning 'air lane between two cities'

Busiest airport =/= busiest air corridor.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:50 PM
 
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So, we're not talking busiest airports - but busiest corridors? The busiest airports in the world are (in order) Atlanta, Chicago, London, Tokyo and Paris. You're talking corridors?
um, none of those are airports, they are cities
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Old 01-09-2010, 08:29 PM
 
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Awesome post, very interesting but the findings don't really surprise me. I could have guessed all of them for NY except Atlanta, but it makes sense considering that Atlanta is a hub; I'm sure it's not that so many NY/NJ area people are visiting Atlanta as much as they are connecting there to go to other cities.

I know that just out of Newark the most frequent flights reflect those corridors. There are anywhere from 5 to 8 flights, nonstop, daily to places like L.A., Miami, Orlando, West Palm, Fort Lauderdale, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, and many others that are not even on the list.

Good stuff!
There is a lot of interaction between Atlanta and NYC...and remember it goes both ways - it's not just whether people in NYC are flying to Atlanta but it also represents people from Atlanta flying to NYC.

I would imagine most people flying the busiest corridors aren't just visiting...I would think the majority of flights are business related unless to cities like Orlando or Las Vegas.
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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^ but you have to look too that Atlanta is a huge hub. A LOT of those NYC-Atlanta flights are connecting, not people going to Atlanta.

Look at the % for Atlanta on the second list. It's only 23% that are originating/departing FROM Atlanta as opposed to just passing through for an hour or two at the airport.
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Old 01-10-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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^ but you have to look too that Atlanta is a huge hub. A LOT of those NYC-Atlanta flights are connecting, not people going to Atlanta.

Look at the % for Atlanta on the second list. It's only 23% that are originating/departing FROM Atlanta as opposed to just passing through for an hour or two at the airport.
I thought we were simply talking about the busiest corridors? What does it even matter if the passengers' destination is NYC or Atlanta? Busy is busy.

Someone seems to always be trying to prove that Atlanta isn't the busiest airport...it's kinda silly.
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