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statistics can be useful, but you also have to look what they based those data sets on...
as well as your conclusion, b/c to me that is NOT all the things which makes a city great, which again is subjective, and it is not like Chicago does not have those things.
But back to that, lets analyze your post and use your same data... You mention what makes a city great,.. which by the data set you give, is Human Capital verbatim go read the foreign policy report, this has been done countless times on here, and Chicago ranks 3rd in the world for that, while Toronto is at 10. So obviously Chicago is attracting people...
so how is that? and how is Chicago ranked much higher than toronto for attracting people if it is so far behind Toronto eh?
As far as culture goes, they do the metrics by stuff for "international" travelers which Toronto does fare well on but it isn't based on opera houses, museums and cultural institutions so much which Chicago will beat Toronto on...Toronto definitely by percentage is more international.
the others are true...
and yes chicago did a lot of its growth in the 19th century...
on e) ... census data for Toronto and chicago...
As far as cities growing... Toronto metro area is 5.1 million Chicago is 9.7 More people are just living in the suburbs, Chicago's burbs are very well connected however. Even if you go by the GTA it is only 5.5 mil... And adding another 5 million people or so effectively doubling the people coming into the city is a big difference in feel.
the others ARE true and big plus for Toronto but lets not get so biased... had to point out your stuff though
You make it seem like Toronto is slamming Chicago where the truth is both cities fare better than the other in different categories...
That being said I like Toronto quite a bit but these biased posts with misleading information are a bit unnerving.
Remember also Toronto is not #1 in every category in the country, you are NOT the real capital and Montreal will battle you for culture and other things... This is in a country of 32 million people vs. Chicago being anywhere from 2-5 in about every possible category in a country of 300 million people...
Totally agree with you. You cannot compare a city located in a country with 32 million people with another city sitting on a country of 300+ million people and still be on top of the list in many categories. Great post!
statistics can be useful, but you also have to look what they based those data sets on...
as well as your conclusion, b/c to me that is NOT all the things which makes a city great, which again is subjective, and it is not like Chicago does not have those things.
But back to that, lets analyze your post and use your same data... You mention what makes a city great,.. which by the data set you give, is Human Capital verbatim go read the foreign policy report, this has been done countless times on here, and Chicago ranks 3rd in the world for that, while Toronto is at 10. So obviously Chicago is attracting people...
so how is that? and how is Chicago ranked much higher than toronto for attracting people if it is so far behind Toronto eh?
As far as culture goes, they do the metrics by stuff for "international" travelers which Toronto does fare well on but it isn't based on opera houses, museums and cultural institutions so much which Chicago will beat Toronto on...Toronto definitely by percentage is more international.
the others are true...
and yes chicago did a lot of its growth in the 19th century...
on e) ... census data for Toronto and chicago...
As far as cities growing... Toronto metro area is 5.1 million Chicago is 9.7 More people are just living in the suburbs, Chicago's burbs are very well connected however. Even if you go by the GTA it is only 5.5 mil... And adding another 5 million people or so effectively doubling the people coming into the city is a big difference in feel.
the others ARE true and big plus for Toronto but lets not get so biased... had to point out your stuff though
You make it seem like Toronto is slamming Chicago where the truth is both cities fare better than the other in different categories...
That being said I like Toronto quite a bit but these biased posts with misleading information are a bit unnerving.
Remember also Toronto is not #1 in every category in the country, you are NOT the real capital and Montreal will battle you for culture and other things... This is in a country of 32 million people vs. Chicago being anywhere from 2-5 in about every possible category in a country of 300 million people...
If you go by American CMA standards and apply that to Toronto, in the same area, Toronto's metro is 8,102,163 [2006 figure] (probably closer to 9M right now according to all the immigrants flooding in). Chicago's CMA covers TWICE the area as Toronto's does.
Chicago paved the path architecturally for the entire world with the technological advancements they underwent; they definitely have architecture down.
You forgot that Toronto is growing while Chicago is shrinking. Don't forget it was not so long ago when Chicago was bigger than LA.
At this point this estimates are the best we have. I see no reason to distrust US Census Bureau.
No,that's not it. Besides lower crime Toronto has a better transportation system (second only to New York on the continent) and offers much better cultural experience (rated right after New York and before LA). Of course it can teach Chicago how to excell in those areas.
Why do you keep repeating this lie over and over? Both NYC and Mexico City have larger, more comprehensive mass transit systems than Toronto. Toronto has more extensive bus service, but Chicago has a more extensive rail network with CTA and Metra trains.
Of course it is subjective - like everything else. That's why statistics are useful as they provide certain level of objectivity.
Do you know that Toronto:
a) is considered the 4th richest cultural experience in the world while Chicago is considered a mere number 20
b) has bigger/better public transportation system
c) is much safer then Chicago (three times lower murder rate in 2009)
d) is more diverse, cosmopolitan than Chicago, 49% of citizens are foreign born e) is experiencing constant growth in this century while Chicago is losing its population
What makes a city great? Culture, infrastructure (transportation), safety and ability to attract people. Is Chicago winning in any of those categories? No. Toronto is growing while Chicago shrinking. It already lost to LA while Toronto conitnues to be Canada's prime city.
As long as the entire metro continues to grow, then who cares if the principle city loses population?
As long as the entire metro continues to grow, then who cares if the principle city loses population?
And who cares about suburbs? We are talking actual cities and while most superbig American cities including LA, NYC and Toronto grow both in their metro areas and principal cities, Chicago does not. If a city loses population it is celarly a sign of deterioration. None of the truly succesfull cities is losing population.
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God, another one? How is Toronto's system larger? Chicago's has over twice as many stations, and many more lines. I think Chicago also has 21 stations that are in below ground subways as well. Not to mention the "who cares about suburbs", haha. Don't something like 1 out of every 2 people in the country live in suburbs!? Not a whole lot of cities out there that have more people in the central cities than the population of the suburbs. It's all basically one "city" - just split out into different municipalities depending on how the area developed.
God, another one? How is Toronto's system larger? Chicago's has over twice as many stations, and many more lines. I think Chicago also has 21 stations that are in below ground subways as well. Not to mention the "who cares about suburbs", haha. Don't something like 1 out of every 2 people in the country live in suburbs!? Not a whole lot of cities out there that have more people in the central cities than the population of the suburbs. It's all basically one "city" - just split out into different municipalities depending on how the area developed.
Actually, 80% of Americans live within 30 miles of a major city. That means the vast majority of Americans live in suburbia.
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