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Old 01-29-2010, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I think he really intended it as a compliment.

I personally think it's L.A.'s largest hidden charm.
thanks...yes I meant it as a compliment.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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Los Angeles.

Everybody hates them and they don't even pay attention. I love that about L.A.
But why does that make it "the least provincial"?
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in the universe
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thanks...yes I meant it as a compliment.
I know what you meant. I'm just implying that no matter how much it seems like people hate L.A., plenty of us still like it. Plus, I don't think it has it bad as other cities.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I know what you meant. I'm just implying that no matter how much it seems like people hate L.A., plenty of us still like it. Plus, I don't think it has it bad as other cities.

No, it really doesn't have it as bad as other cities, especially when you consider the size of the place (and NYC is an afterthought, if thought of at all).

The average Angeleno could really give a damn about the rest of the world, unless it's making him/her money.

I love L.A.
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:42 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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The average Angeleno could really give a damn about the rest of the world, unless it's making him/her money.
So wouldn't that mean they're the most provincial? I mean isn't that one of the definitions of provincial mentioned? I'm a tad confused.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:08 AM
 
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I tried to use a standard of education and out-of-state residents on the "Most Provincial." Doing that for "Least Provincial" I get Boulder Colorado as possible.

http://www.city-data.com/top2/h169.html
http://www.city-data.com/top2/h182.html

Tempe, Arizona; Medford, Oregon; and Missoula, Montana might be close as I think they have some mixture in politics.

Dallas-Fort Worth looks to have a lot of men in aircraft industry and I think it also has lots of immigrants. It has a Republican mayor or had one anyway so it's not a one-party town. Also Houston has a lesbian mayor and "The Little Couple."

http://www.city-data.com/top2/c672.html

Also New York City. It has a wide variety of people who belong to various ethnic groups. Staten Island went for McCain so it has some political variety as well. It's true I listed it as most provincial, but from what I've read anyway NYC is complicated. Enough so I think it can actually contain both things. Or I'm just covering my bases

Nonsense. Education is only one of the factors. The "adjective" provincial comes from "province" as in remote, far from the de facto capital and mainstrean. As the least provincial based on their trendsetting, opinion-making status I would pick cities like NYC, LA, DC and San Francisco.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:19 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I'd go with L.A., although as it trends towards gentrification it is slowly ruined like NYC is. For the most part, anything goes in L.A. in terms of ethnicity/race, religions, attitudes, ideas, etc.
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Old 01-30-2010, 09:37 AM
 
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The average Angeleno could really give a damn about the rest of the world, unless it's making him/her money.
This is the same argument being used as to why NYC is the MOST provincial city in the U.S. in another thread.

Mindnumbing...
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Old 01-30-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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Nonsense. Education is only one of the factors. The "adjective" provincial comes from "province" as in remote, far from the de facto capital and mainstream. As the least provincial based on their trendsetting, opinion-making status I would pick cities like NYC, LA, DC and San Francisco.
I understand that, but these two threads seems to mean "provincialism" rather than "provincial." "Provincial", going by wordnet, means a peasant or country person. A city would have to be basically rural to be "provincial" and I'm not sure there are that many rural/farm cities anymore.

"Provincialism" means more "lack of sophistication" and disinterest in the world outside their area. Many New Yorkers seem to fit that and many others don't, but either way I think education, and exposure to people from varied places, often relates to that. That's why I listed them. However I'm not convinced they totally determine the matter either way, it's more of a guessing game.
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Old 01-30-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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I understand that, but these two threads seems to mean "provincialism" rather than "provincial." "Provincial", going by wordnet, means a peasant or country person. A city would have to be basically rural to be "provincial" and I'm not sure there are that many rural/farm cities anymore.

"Provincialism" means more "lack of sophistication" and disinterest in the world outside their area. Many New Yorkers seem to fit that and many others don't, but either way I think education, and exposure to people from varied places, often relates to that. That's why I listed them. However I'm not convinced they totally determine the matter either way, it's more of a guessing game.
I think you are confused. Yes, the word provincial can be used as a noun yet it is obsolete in this meaning. We are rather talking about "provincialism" as a quality and an adjective "provincial" as an adjective used to describe an object (or person) displaying that quality.

In any case the adjective "provincial" comes from the word "province" used to distinguish the remote, less advanced and sophisticated areas of the country from the capital city which historically where pioneers in culture and art.

To answer the OP's question you have to think of the city/cities that are leaders or pioneers as opposed to areas that simply follow the trends and of course both New York and LA naturally come to mind here as thier culture is extremely influlential both domestically and internationally.
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