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Old 12-25-2010, 08:14 AM
 
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Old 12-25-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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My prediction for the next 10-20 years:

The metros in the Great Plains will START to boom
The metros in the Sunbelt will FINISH booming
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Old 12-25-2010, 09:53 AM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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My prediction for the next 10-20 years:

The metros in the Great Plains will START to boom
The metros in the Sunbelt will FINISH booming
Why?
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Old 12-25-2010, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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My prediction for the next 10-20 years:

The metros in the Great Plains will START to boom
The metros in the Sunbelt will FINISH booming
The metros in the Great Plains will START to boom CERTAINLY
The metros in the Sunbelt will FINISH booming NO REASON TO THAT, JUST A DREAM FROM NORTHERN GUYS
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Why?
Why not?
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:31 AM
 
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The metros in the Great Plains will START to boom CERTAINLY
The metros in the Sunbelt will FINISH booming NO REASON TO THAT, JUST A DREAM FROM NORTHERN GUYS
There's a reason why the Sunbelt will slow down. I'm not going to get into the microcasms of economics here, but on a higher level, the Sunbelt was largely fueled by construction jobs, which fueled growth, which fueled construction, and so on and so forth. Without a housing bubble and falling land values, I don't see the same kind of growth in the Sunbelt as previous decades -- I just don't. At some point, the Sunbelt will grow like the rest of the nation -- maybe slightly faster due to retirees -- and the "boom" will be over, just like every boom-bust cycle. The Sunbelt is no exception.

This isn't my "dream", because I don't see Minneapolis for example ever booming again, but I do think the Sunbelt boom was largely bubble-related (maybe 50% or more) and I think other areas of the country offer similarly cheap housing and nice weather -- namely the Plains states.

Do you have evidence to the contrary -- or do you just like to put others' ideas down?
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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There's a reason why the Sunbelt will slow down. I'm not going to get into the microcasms of economics here, but on a higher level, the Sunbelt was largely fueled by construction jobs, which fueled growth, which fueled construction, and so on and so forth. Without a housing bubble and falling land values, I don't see the same kind of growth in the Sunbelt as previous decades -- I just don't. At some point, the Sunbelt will grow like the rest of the nation -- maybe slightly faster due to retirees -- and the "boom" will be over, just like every boom-bust cycle. The Sunbelt is no exception.

This isn't my "dream", because I don't see Minneapolis for example ever booming again, but I do think the Sunbelt boom was largely bubble-related (maybe 50% or more) and I think other areas of the country offer similarly cheap housing and nice weather -- namely the Plains states.

Do you have evidence to the contrary -- or do you just like to put others' ideas down?
Texas ? It's the most booming, and it's not fueled by a construction boom.
The sunbelt cities are really younger than Midwest or Northeast cities, births are important in their boom but underestimated by many of them.
These states have low taxes and not many regulations, so businesses come there, particularly businesses rejected by anti-business states like California.
And they have more space, so prices can keep affordable about housing, compared to the Northeast (but Midwest is certainly the better about the housing affordability)
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:44 AM
 
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Texas is the sunbelt but also the Plains. The birthrate argument is strange to me: are people in Texas procreating faster than in other parts of the country? Why would that be? In my opinion low-tax states offer fewer social services, which can impact the quality of life. That's very debatable but states enforce taxes for a reason and it's designed to offer its residents and businesses better quality infrastructure and overall QOL.
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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Besides, the "Sunbelt" to me includes S. California, Nevada, Arizona, N. Mexico, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, and the Carolinas. The SW in particular will slow down because of the bubble. Places like Georgia, Texas and N. Carolina will grow strong as long as unemployment is low. Florida and Arizona will attract retirees but that could put a serious strain on social services/taxes. Overall, things will slow down considerably and I see some of the slack being picked up by the (rest) of the Plains states.
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:58 AM
 
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Texas is the sunbelt but also the Plains. The birthrate argument is strange to me: are people in Texas procreating faster than in other parts of the country? Why would that be? In my opinion low-tax states offer fewer social services, which can impact the quality of life. That's very debatable but states enforce taxes for a reason and it's designed to offer its residents and businesses better quality infrastructure and overall QOL.
Yes.
USA = 2.1 children per woman
Texas = 2.4
Utah = 2.6
Northeast = about 1.9

And more taxes = more services ? In this moment California has one of the highest tax rate, results --> among the worst schools and roads.
So no, high taxes are for unions only.It's just a cliché, businesses want low taxes, weak regulation toward them and freedom of private enterprise, they flee to these states for one reason.Basic economics.
And you can see it : everybody don't want these services, some people think otherwise.
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