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Old 07-30-2008, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Emerald Coast, FL
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I don't know if they are necessarily underrated, but my favorite places in the US are:

Flagstaff, AZ
Traverse City, MI
St. Augustine, FL
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Old 07-30-2008, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Downtown Philadelphia is not more vibrant than Downtown San Francisco in my personal experience. It also has far less amenities such as shopping and entertainment.

Dont get me wrong, I like the place, but I think saying it was 3rd in that respect is a bit off the mark.

The downtowns are about the same in regards to occupied office space in sq.ft.Center City Philaldephia has a white collar work force of about 250,000 so I assume SF is in the same ballpark. Center City Philly has between 90,000- 100,000 people living downtown(3rd highest in US). 3 major universities(45,000 students) within a mile of Center City including the 4th ranked university in the country(Penn). 750 retail shops +restaurants in a 4 sq mile area

I'm not saying center city Philly is more vibrant than downtown SF but what I am saying is that on a normal day center city Philly is about as vibrant as any city in the usa. It might not be the cleanest, might not be the ritziest, but its plenty vibrant.

In regards to the question of this thread(underrated) SF does not belong here whereas Philadlephia arguably does.

Props to the photo takers.









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Old 08-01-2008, 02:25 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Default We are talking apples and pineapples here

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I definitely dont agree with metro NYC coming all the way down to Philaldephias backyard. There is an awful lot of backroom politicking that goes along with the census bureau, especially on the crowded east coast.

I think you have an argument concerning Dallas/Fort Worth which is labeled an MSA when it should probably have a CMSA label.

But if SF has an argument with Dallas's questionable status then Philadlephia
also should have an argument as its got more people within 40 miles of its center then either SF or DC.


I agree lets get back on track to the original question.

We are talking pineapples and apples here , about Philly and San Francisco
SAN FRANCISCO is a ALPHA 2nd Tier World Class City and The One
dominate city in the BAY AREA of 7,300,000 peoples Philly doesn't have that large of a Metro Population even if it won some of It's Metro Back From (New York City) , but we both know THAT"S THAT Not Going To Happen Because the CENSUS BUREAU is bending over backwards to make
sure that METRO NEW YORK CITY is larger than THE HATED LA ..LOS
ANGELES Metro Area , which it's really not LA could very easily have
20 Million People In It's Metro Area.
Both you and myself are telling everybody in AMERICA that Philly GOT
SHAFTED because it's in the LONG SHADOWS of the ONLY 1st Tier ALPHA
WORLD CLASS CITY IN AMERICA NEW YORK CITY....
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:18 AM
 
Location: RVA
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:25 AM
 
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....um... I'm sorry... what?
Atlanta's skyline can be argued with Dallas as which one is better. I get that. But what are you saying about Ft. Worth's skyline? Cause there isn't that much to brag about... sadly. I mean, it's ok, but it's just not as good (or big) as it should be.



I'm saying it wont happen, but.... good luck with that. Atlanta's metro may be growing fast, but all of the DFW Metroplex is growing pretty fast, too.

If Atlanta was in Texas it would be the eight largest city in Texas- Cased closed
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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SAN FRANCISCO is a ALPHA 2nd Tier World Class City and The One
dominate city in the BAY AREA of 7,300,000 peoples Philly doesn't have that large of a Metro Population


Both you and myself are telling everybody in AMERICA that Philly GOT
SHAFTED because it's in the LONG SHADOWS of the ONLY 1st Tier ALPHA
WORLD CLASS CITY IN AMERICA NEW YORK CITY....
I'm not telling anybody anything. I'm simply bringing cold hard facts to the table.

There is no conspiracy against LA or SF.

According to the census bureau.
Philaldephia has a metro of 5.8 M
SF has a metro of 4.2 M

I'm not interested in vague,inapplicable, puff discussions like "Bay Area" or CMSA's, that does not interest me.

Once again no sane individual is going to bring SF into a thread titled "most underrated city". If you want to start a thread SF vs. Philadlephia I'm more than willing to squabble with you.

Lets stick with the defined federal guidelines of the MSA.
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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SF has a metro area of around 7 million!
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Greater Houston
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Once again no sane individual is going to bring SF into a thread titled "most underrated city".
Only if we are talking about how SF got overshadowed by LA as the premier city of the West.
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:18 PM
 
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If Atlanta was in Texas it would be the eight largest city in Texas- Cased closed
City population means squat when they are arbitrary lines drawn to different sizes.

Metro population is much more accurate.
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:39 PM
 
Location: RVA
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City population means squat when they are arbitrary lines drawn to different sizes.

Metro population is much more accurate.
Population in general is meaningless. The metro area of Montreal is quite a bit smaller in population than Atlanta. Poll the civilized world on where they'd rather live. Charm, atmosphere, and aesthetic beauty are worth an entire book full of statistics.


Edit- I realize we're talking about American cities, but Montreal seemed to be the best comparison for what I was trying to say
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