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View Poll Results: Miami (South FL) energy or Los Angeles energy
Miami 49 54.44%
Los Angeles 41 45.56%
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Miami's urbanity compares to Long Beach's. The two cities even look the same in a lot of areas. That's not an insult--Long Beach is highly underrated, but no way does Miami match The Wilshire/Santa Monica subsection of Los Angeles County:

Los Angeles Compared with Portland | USC Spatial Sciences Institute

66 sq miles
Population: 1 million
Communities: DTLA, Hollywood, Koreatown, WeHo, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Westwood, Venice, Mid-Wilshire, Century City, Silverlake, Echo Park, Pico-Robertson, etc., etc..
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Just because it is a multi-family apartment complex does not mean it is not a garden style apartment. (lol). You can literally have 2000 people living in a garden style apartment complex. All a "garden style" really means is that it is a commercial multifamily apartment complex located in the suburbs and not in the actual urban core itself, that's all it means, it's pretty common sense, nothing more , nothing less.
Great, not that I have gotten you to back down from your first erroneous claim that the majority of Angelenos live in single family homes, the next question is -

Find me some examples of garden style apartments in Los Angeles. There are a few in Woodland Hills, some in the northern reaches of the SFV, and.... that's about it.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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True that both have suburbs, but the reality is there is no escaping suburbia outside the "city".

When people go to the "city" (urban core) they are expecting the urban experience
-- > Meaning walkability , everything at your fingertips, easy to navigate w/ or w/o a car.

When people go to a suburban city, they are "near" the city , but typically they have to drive everywhere and need a car from place to place to be apart of the "action" freeways are often very popular in places like these, because of that , that causes horrible traffic, and horrible air quality. Also Many of the residents live in a SFH or garden style apartment complex.

A lot of people in LA think they are really living in the "city" when realistically, all they are living in are a bunch of densely populated suburbs.

Los Angeles urban center for being the 2nd largest "city" is not impressive at all.

The main reason being :

The primary focus in Miami is it's downtown
The primary focus in Los Angeles is it's metro.

There are two different types of a "cities"

An urban city as I call it , is the core of the city, where it's primary focus is on an urban setting, downtown is the highlight, people are living in high rises with everything at your fingertips. An urban city walkable, vibrant, active, and is one of the primary things people want to visit when they go.

Examples include Philly , Chicago, Miami, NYC, SF

A suburban city on the other hand has some of the same characteristics of an urban city, I mean it does have a "downtown" but the biggest difference here is that in a suburban city, the urban core isn't the main highlight of the city, but instead the metro and surroundings is. That is EXACTLY what Los Angeles is, except on steroids. Other example of suburban cities include but not limited to : San Diego, Phoenix, Tucson, etc.

See the difference?
Miami isn't anymore urban than LA. The focus of Miami is MIAMI BEACH, it's downtown is relatively dead and quiet and not a vibrant core at all, who are you kidding. It's not an urban city like SF, Chicago, or NYC at all. Yeah it has plenty of high rises but they are not that pedestrian friendly or "urban" at the street level.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Miami isn't anymore urban than LA. The focus of Miami is MIAMI BEACH, it's downtown is relatively dead and quiet and not a vibrant core at all, who are you kidding. It's not an urban city like SF, Chicago, or NYC at all. Yeah it has plenty of high rises but they are not that pedestrian friendly or "urban" at the street level.
I agree - taking Los Angeles completely out of the picture - Miami is not even on the level of a Portland or Seattle from a walkability and street-level vibrancy standpoint. Much less the heavyweights like DC, SF, Philly, NYC.

It's cute that they have a little Metro too, that basically nobody uses - 64k daily riders on 24 miles of track! LA has more than double the ridership of Miami with less stations and less track mileage. And that is completely leaving out the LRT and BRT systems.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Condos/Dining/Nightlife/ everything you can imagine is downtown, that right there is a true city experience.

The best part it is actually happening and vibrant and fun. and it feels alive when you go there unlike it's counterpart LA.
Is there even a grocery store in Downtown Miami?

I highly doubt you even live in Miami. Your posts seem all too familiar like another user who was banned twice before. Same crap, love Miami and Abq and rag on LA and SD. Mtx917, Surfside?
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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no way does Miami match The Wilshire/Santa Monica subsection of Los Angeles County:

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lol

You again , are getting urban mixed up with dense! Big Difference, just because an area is densely populated does not equal it to being urban. You can live in a densely populated anywhere and still have to need a car to drive around everywhere. Dense = high population per sq mile, urban = walkable environment where a car isn't necessary and everything is at your finger tips. So while LA is dense sprawl it is still not the same as being is a dense urban center. Makes sense ?Remember that. You are naming a sub-section outside the core of the city. The core of the city is where density matters, not some sub-section neighborhood outside of LA . Again, that should be common sense, apparently it's that hard for people to figure out.
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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lol

You again , are getting urban mixed up with dense! Big Difference, just because an area is densely populated does not equal it to being urban. You can live in a densely populated anywhere and still have to need a car to drive around everywhere. Dense = high population per sq mile, urban = walkable environment where a car isn't necessary and everything is at your finger tips. So while LA is dense sprawl it is still not the same as being is a dense urban center. Makes sense ?Remember that. You are naming a sub-section outside the core of the city. The core of the city is where density matters, not some sub-section neighborhood outside of LA . Again, that should be common sense, apparently it's that hard for people to figure out.
Of course I am . I get accused of this all the time, usually after I pull out the density stats for Los Angeles. Density immediately stops mattering at that point, in every argument. Sometimes I ask the person I'm debating with if they need help moving their goalposts, but they always decline.

As for walkability, the core regions of cities like San Francisco and Philly are more walkable than L.A., but Miami? When did this happen?

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Old 01-17-2013, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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lol

You again , are getting urban mixed up with dense! Big Difference, just because an area is densely populated does not equal it to being urban. You can live in a densely populated anywhere and still have to need a car to drive around everywhere. Dense = high population per sq mile, urban = walkable environment where a car isn't necessary and everything is at your finger tips. So while LA is dense sprawl it is still not the same as being is a dense urban center. Makes sense ?Remember that. You are naming a sub-section outside the core of the city. The core of the city is where density matters, not some sub-section neighborhood outside of LA . Again, that should be common sense, apparently it's that hard for people to figure out.
The Wilshire / Santa Monica corridor is LA. That is where LA is. DTLA is part of it.
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