Which one is more Diverse- The Tri-State Metropolitan Area or The San Francisco Bay Area? (cost, place)

[Rhymes with Best Coast]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

No one is denying that, but you don't win both categories. Not at all.

Furthermore, it has been demonstrated here that regionally speaking, the Bay Area's racial diversity and disapora of foreign born residents is more far reaching than in the NY CSA.


As far as CSA vs CSA, they are not tied. We've already gone over this several times and now its getting redundant to rehash the same thing over and over and over and over again.

New York CSA
54.0% White Non-Hispanic
15.7% Black Non-Hispanic
20.1% Hispanic
8.4% Asian
1.0% Two or More Races

San Francisco CSA
46.2% White Non-Hispanic
6.4% Black Non-Hispanic
22.4% Hispanic
21.1% Asian
2.6% Two or more races

The Bay Area has no racial majority group and 3 groups have more than 20%.

NY actually has a majority group and only one other group has more than 20%.


We've posted several stats already proving our points. No one is saying that Bay Area is more ethnically diverse, but there are many signs here based on the data that would indicate that perhaps this is also the case in a region vs region comparison.

The huge amount of data shown in this thread has been quite compelling and very informative for people who have actually taken a look.

I will repeat yet again a statement that Ive already made twice in this thread but obviously bears repeating:

We know the Bay Area has a higher proportion of foreign language speakers than NY, we know that the Bay Area has a higher proportion of foreign born residents than NY, we know that the Bay Area has greater racial diversity than NY and we know that the Bay Area's diversity is also more spread out throughout the entire region than NY.

That is all substantiated by the US Census Bureau.

^^^ Agreed! Facts are facts. Just telling it like it is.

We are not in the game of lies, fiction, and mistruths.

The phrase that pays for Nyers is to "give credit when credit is due". WTF? Then, where's the love for the Bay when credit is due?

[nycjowww]

Originally Posted by Rhymes with Best Coast

^^^ Agreed! Facts are facts. Just telling it like it is.

We are not in the game of lies, fiction, and mistruths.

The phrase that pays for Nyers is to "give credit when credit is due". WTF? Then, where's the love for the Bay when credit is due?

fact is bay area has more racial diversity but less ethnic diversity , anyone who knows the groups that make large numbers in both city knows those are facts.

[Nineties Flava]

Originally Posted by jordandubreil

fact is bay area has more racial diversity but less ethnic diversity , anyone who knows the groups that make large numbers in both city knows those are facts.

The fact is that none of you new yorkers have ever so much as TRIED to find something that proves that. And no, the "isn't it obvious?" argument doesn't work... if that was the case then why are some of you acting so hard headed when we're giving you government data that says nothing other than "isn't this obvious? It's the truth!" To which you people have said "The truth isn't telling the full story." Then damn it what is? You new yorkers need to learn to take the L... you already take it repeatedly in sports so I don't see why its so difficult

[Nineties Flava]

In fact, this NY superiority complex in general is becoming very annoying. Even on the stupidest issues, New Yorkers cant bear to be 2nd or even not in the running. For instance, every time there's an "impoverished neighborhoods in America" thread, there's always a couple east coaster's who will say, "lol at the west coast... I didn't know that palm trees were native to the ghetto lololol" or "a place is only ghetto if there's 20 story project buildings as far as the eye can see." I guess there aren't any ghettos in Haiti because there's definitely no 20 story project buildings over there. Oh, and I think there might even be palm trees!


And some of you wonder why people often think of New Yorkers as not being particularly cultured...

[sbarn]

Originally Posted by jordandubreil

fact is bay area has more racial diversity but less ethnic diversity , anyone who knows the groups that make large numbers in both city knows those are facts.

I agree with this... as I mentioned earlier, having lived in both places, I think its a close call.

[Native17]

Originally Posted by eek

i'm eating right now lol so i'm just going to post something really fast.

nyc takes this alone, let alone adding the other two states.

nyc is the most diverse area of the nation. queens is the most diverse county and borough of nyc. pretty much any ethnicity that one could think of is represented in queens alone, let alone the other boroughs.

obviously nyc has:

chinatown (manhattan)
chinatown (flushing)
east harlem (aka spanish harlem aka el barrio)
washington heights
little italy

and various other ethnic enclaves.

nyc is known for west indians, eastern europeans, western europeans, asians, and now we're getting a large influx of mexicans and central americans.

in my neighborhood, pakistani's, east indians and guyanese indians run everything. they own everything. before them there used to be a ton of black west indians all over.

my neighborhood smells like west indian food. obviously you hear a ton of languages everyday, in your daily commute, even just chillin watching tv with the window open.

the art and music should be self explanatory as well. hip hop, salsa, reggae, merengue, house, rock, etc. all big here. some got started here. some of your favorite bands/artists got their start here.

etc. etc. when other ppl post, then i'll post more examples, stories, etc.

jersey is really diverse. i don't feel like posting about that because i'm not from there. let somebody from jersey handle that lol. ct too.

tristate takes this easily, tho.

I thought you were eating? now I'm eating and im definitively not going to write this much haha

but yes for the most I agree with everything you wrote, nothing compares to New York in terms of diversity or in terms of anything for that matter not in the USA at least.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by sbarn

I agree with this... as I mentioned earlier, having lived in both places, I think its a close call.

Its really close along several lines...the languages spoken comparison is very interesting.

I posted this earlier in this thread:

These are the only language(and language groups) listed in the Census American Factfinder website, I guess cause they are the most widely spoken foreign languages in the country.

People over age 5+ who speak a language other than english
New York CSA(7,251,102) 34.9%
San Francisco(2,709,942) CSA 39.4%

New York CSA
Breakdown of Foreign Languages Spoken
Spanish 50.0%
Other Indo-European 15.3%
Chinese 7.5%
Slavic 6.9%
Other or Unspecificed 6.3%
French 4.9%
Other Asian and Pacific Islander 2.7%
Korean 2.2%
Tagalog 1.9%
German 1.2%
Vietnamese 0.3%

San Francisco CSA
Breakdown of Foreign Languages Spoken
Spanish 43.4%
Chinese 15.8%
Other Indo-Eurpoean 9.7%
Tagalog 8.9%
Other Asian and Pacific Islander 6.0%
Vietnamese 5.7%
Slavic 2.6%
Other and Unspecified 2.3%
Korean 2.0%
French 1.5%
German 1.4%

Look at the very close percentages-just switch the language.

NY/Spanish=SF/Spanish, both claim roughly half. 50%

NY/IndoEuropean=SF/Chinese(before someone tells us about how varied Europe is, please let me remind you that China has 1.3 Billion people and has several dialects itself) both claim 15% of their respective regions.

NY doesnt have a widely spoken language in the same range that Tagalog is in the Bay Area. nearly 9%

At the same time, NY beats SF soundly when it comes to "Others"--over 6% in the Tri-State.

NY/Slavic=SF/Asian and Pacific Islander(that's really interesting because that shows that NYs claim on whites is offset by the Bay Area's Asian and Polynesian speakers) Around 6%

NY/French=SF/Vietnamese, about a point apart. 5-6%

NY/Korean=SF/Korean, both about 2%

And the Bay Area edges out NY as far as total number of residents who speak a foreign language. But still not some huge gap-but a small difference.

[18Montclair]

The Bay Area has twice as many biracial and multiracial residents.

Percent of the Total Population
Who Are Two or More Races, 2008

New York-Newark-Bridgeport 2.0%
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk 1.3%
Kingston, NY 2.0%
New Haven-Milford 2.1%
New York-Northern NJ-Long Island 2.0%
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown 2.5%
Torrington 1.9%
Trenton 2.0%

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland 4.0%
Napa 2.8%
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont 4.1%
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara 3.4%
Santa Cruz-Watsonville 3.7%
Santa Rosa-Petaluma 3.2%
Vallejo-Fairfield 6.6%

[nycjowww]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

The fact is that none of you new yorkers have ever so much as TRIED to find something that proves that. And no, the "isn't it obvious?" argument doesn't work... if that was the case then why are some of you acting so hard headed when we're giving you government data that says nothing other than "isn't this obvious? It's the truth!" To which you people have said "The truth isn't telling the full story." Then damn it what is? You new yorkers need to learn to take the L... you already take it repeatedly in sports so I don't see why its so difficult

prove nothing? the fact is that none of you bay area bloggers have not tried to prove how your city is ethnically more diverse. you bay area area bloggers think that just because you have diversity mainly in your asian population that you are the most ethnical diverse place on the planet .

no the only governmental data that you bay area bloggers have given are the fact that sf is more racially diverse but refuse to show how you win ethnically. you bloggers cant even name all the groups who have major neighborhoods in your city. just cause you met one african doesnt make sf a african hub neither.


we new yorkers need to learn to take the l . not really when we got half the more then half the globe and this poll itself supporting our cause.

nice one. ALL ny haters sound the same and speak the same , it gets tiring really.

[DANNYY]

Originally Posted by jordandubreil

prove nothing? the fact is that none of you bay area bloggers have not tried to prove how your city is ethnically more diverse. you bay area area bloggers think that just because you have diversity mainly in your asian population that you are the most ethnical diverse place on the planet .

no the only governmental data that you bay area bloggers have given are the fact that sf is more racially diverse but refuse to show how you win ethnically. you bloggers cant even name all the groups who have major neighborhoods in your city. just cause you met one african doesnt make sf a african hub neither.


we new yorkers need to learn to take the l . not really when we got half the more then half the globe and this poll itself supporting our cause.

nice one. ALL ny haters sound the same and speak the same , it gets tiring really.

No offense Jordan, but these "Bay Area Bloggers" have been the only ones to even show stats for what they're claiming. I have not seen any from the Tri-State area at all in the last 3-4 pages, if any ever.
And top it all off, then they're getting on here and putting down the data Bay Area people are putting up with simple "claims" as if expecting people to automatically understand what they're talking about and agree with them..

I do enjoy eek's pictures though. They're very nice. Makes me actually want to see all the areas of NYC next time instead of just Manhattan.