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Charlotte should not even be mentioned. The downtown is such a small area. There is no density, aside from a few tall buildings, the skyline is nothing impressive in the manner it would need to be to be close to the level of Manhattan.
After viewing the pictures of NYC above, why not Charlotte, Charelston, or even Jacksonville. Nothing else in the country comes close to Manhattan.
And Manhattan is not NYC its just the CBD of NYC or maybe the entire nation.
Anyone who seriously makes a comparison of Midtown ATL, Bricknell Mami or uptown Charlotte to Manhattan evidently has never been to Manhattan.
But the OP statement is not asking for a compariosn of these areas to Manhattan but what area between these three southern locales would be Manhattan of the South based upon its urban vibe. I don't have a answer since it has been over ten years since I was in Miami and I am sure each area has its own vibe.
After viewing the pictures of NYC above, why not Charlotte, Charelston, or even Jacksonville. Nothing else in the country comes close to Manhattan.
And Manhattan is not NYC its just the CBD of NYC or maybe the entire nation.
Anyone who seriously makes a comparison of Midtown ATL, Bricknell Mami or uptown Charlotte to Manhattan evidently has never been to Manhattan.
But the OP statement is not asking for a compariosn of these areas to Manhattan but what area between these three southern locales would be Manhattan of the South based upon its urban vibe. I don't have a answer since it has been over ten years since I was in Miami and I am sure each area has its own vibe.
Well it would be somewhere in NOLA which is the most urban city in the South.
Why is it hard for people to just simply read the question? lol
"Manhattan of the South" meaning what urban area in the south is the closest to resemble Manhattan.
Here's the thing. Manhattan is an entire county of 20 square miles. These places (Midtown ATL, Brickell, etc) are neighborhoods of small areas. I think the urban core of NOLA is probably the most similar (in terms of walkability, urbanity, and layout) to Manhattan. The urban core of NOLA (my own calculation consisting of the oldest, densest, most walkable neighborhoods) is 20 square miles also. The area follows a linear pattern similar to Manhattan with entire uptown and downtown directions of the city just like Manhattan. And honestly, the CBD of New Orleans itself looks the most similar to Manhattan than any of these places (especially those pics of Brickell above)
I know most people will disagree with me but I say this because NOLA is really the only city in the South that can be compared to any true urban city in the country even if it obviously doesn't have the same density as NYC.
I hate to say it but these South vs. North threads simply are not fair, lmao. A few reasons:
1. The North and the Midwest ate the South's lunch in the industrial arena. Cities like St. Louis, which had potential, always lost out to cities like Chicago, there is one infamous example in which Chicago was able to leverage itself over St. Louis in ways that were unfair because of the advantages they had. The few truly industrial cities you find down South are minuscule in comparison to cities like New York that were once industrial, but have moved on into finance, biotechnology and information services.
2. In the South, the counties are often a lot larger so your metropolitan area is not just the city, it is the entire county. The South has counties that 400, 500, 800 square miles in area. It would take several trillion dollars to develop these areas out the same way that Manhattan is.
3. There are too many interesting neighborhoods in the South, entirely too far from each other to create that urban canyon effect. No one really cares about downtown in the South, regardless of the city. The up and coming neighborhood is usually some suburban place that at best, offers a mid-rise experience. So you may get something a lot closer to Brooklyn, or Queens, than you would Manhattan.
4. There will never be another Manhattan, not enough money, not enough time.
5. Southern cities are stuck on the infill; making exurbs out of the country, suburban areas out of rural areas and urban areas out of suburban areas. You simply do not have this problem in the North and the Midwest.
6. Money. Southern cities simply do not have the money, not enough residents to tax and a lot of the rich in the South still live out in the country somewhere.
7. The migration has not been to the city, but to the suburbs. In a lot of Southern cities the true growth has been in suburbia, not the city proper. Until some of these cities begin to grow into each other there will be no impetus for true urban development.
I haven't read this whole thread, but what about New Orleans?
Honestly, I think this is the closest southern city to NYC. New Orleans has the narrow streets and the street-level fabric you see in NYC.
Places like Brickell or Midtown ATL don't feel anything like NYC, IMO. The only similarity is skyscrapers. But they feel totally different, and more like a dense suburbia, IMO. They're mostly auto-oriented, master planned, and have the wide streets and newer feel.
Honestly, Brickell has almost no pedestrians. It's basically gigantic towers on top of huge podiums for parking and pools/recreation. At street level, it couldn't feel more different from Manhattan. South Beach would be the closest Florida equivalent to NYC. There are no parking podiums in Manhattan.
I haven't read this whole thread, but what about New Orleans?
Honestly, I think this is the closest southern city to NYC. New Orleans has the narrow streets and the street-level fabric you see in NYC.
Places like Brickell or Midtown ATL don't feel anything like NYC, IMO. The only similarity is skyscrapers. But they feel totally different, and more like a dense suburbia, IMO. They're mostly auto-oriented, master planned, and have the wide streets and newer feel.
Honestly, Brickell has almost no pedestrians. It's basically gigantic towers on top of huge podiums for parking and pools/recreation. At street level, it couldn't feel more different from Manhattan. South Beach would be the closest Florida equivalent to NYC. There are no parking podiums in Manhattan.
Agreed. SouthBeach operates more like an urban neighborhood in Manhattan than anything in Miami proper.
Honestly, Brickell has almost no pedestrians. It's basically gigantic towers on top of huge podiums for parking and pools/recreation. At street level, it couldn't feel more different from Manhattan. South Beach would be the closest Florida equivalent to NYC. There are no parking podiums in Manhattan.
While not impossible, it's not economically feasible to put parking underground in Miami. As for the pools and recreation associated with the condos] towers, well....that's because it's warm enough to use them all year long.
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