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Old 05-26-2010, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Augusta, GA ''The fastest rising city in the southeast''
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What MSA's will combine in the future and become powerful CSA's?? Give your reasons why??

I'm going to pick Columbia and Augusta. The cities have fast growing suburban(Aiken and Lexington) counties between the cities.. The drive between the cities is 45 minutes to 1 hour. The cities are 60 miles apart and the suburban counties are even closer to each other..

The CSA population would have been a little over 1.3 million in 2009. This is a map of South Carolina below. Richland County is the city of Columbia. Aiken County is the Augusta suburb and Lexington County is the Columbia suburb. Edgefield County is apart of the Augusta MSA, and Saluda County is apart of the Columbia MSA.
South Carolina
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Old 05-26-2010, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Austin & San Antonio
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Old 05-26-2010, 06:22 PM
 
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I've kinda looked at the areas around Chicago and to the northwest and west before. There's the Chicago, Rockford, Janesville, Madison and Milwaukee areas that form a sort of rectangle with a pretty dense population in between and growing at a good pace.

Areas:

Chicago: 9,805,000
Milwaukee: 1,760,000
Madison: 629,000
Janesville: 160,000
Rockford: 456,000
Walworth County: 100,000
Jefferson County: 80,000
South Bend Ind: 565,000

A region of 13,500,000

I KNOW this area isn't going to be one CSA or anything anytime soon - but it's still an area to watch in our region. The Rockford burbs are only 20 or so minutes from Chicago's northwest burbs. Rockford melts into Beloit and Janesville, and the Madison burbs are only around 30 miles north of there. Go east from the Madison area and you're around 35 miles from the western areas of Milwaukee, and Milwaukee and Chicago's built up areas are already joining together near the lake areas.

The Chicago/Milwaukee areas are up almost 600,000 people since 2000. The Madison-Janesville-Rockford-Inner Counties areas are up almost 130,000 people.

Just a random observation.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Jersey City
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^ The Chicago example is a good one. Another is Philadelphia and the lesser metros around it (Lancaster, Reading, Allentown/Bethlehem, etc.). Each of those city downtowns are about 50-70 miles from Center City Philadelphia. Altogether, there's another couple of million that could be added into a larger CSA. I'd wager there's more commuting back and forth than 10 years ago.

Why Hartford and Springfield aren't one CSA baffles me. The two city centers are 20 or 25 miles apart, they share an airport, and I-91 is a busy stretch of road between them, so I'd expect commuting ties to be pretty solid.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA
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San Francisco has a rather large area to draw from as far as potential metro combinations in the future.( I outlined them in this map)

Here are numbers from the State of California

County 2010 Population(2000 Population)(Projected 2020)
Alameda 1,574,857(1,453,044)
Amador 38,022(35,294)
Calaveras 45,870(40,759)(56,318)
Contra Costa 1,073,055(956,288)
El Dorado 182,019(158,525)
Lake 64,053(58,548)
Marin 260,651(248,301)
Mendocino 90,289(86,618)
Monterey 435,878(403,887)
Napa 138,917(125,092)
Nevada 98,680(92,079)
Placer 347,102(252,341)
Sacramento 1,445,327(1,233,592)
San Benito 58,388(53,793)
San Francisco 856,095(781,200)
San Joaquin 694,293(569,073)
San Mateo 754,285(713,646)
Santa Clara 1,880,876(1,692,947)
Santa Cruz 272,201(256,447)
Solano 427,837(397,074)
Sonoma 493,285(461,520)
Stanislaus 530,584(451,069)
Sutter 99,154(80,849)
Yolo 202,953(175,719)
Yuba 73,380(61,656)

Entire Region
2010 Population: 12,138,051
2000 Population: 10,839,361
Numerical Growth(2000-2010) +1,298,690
Percentage Growth(2000-2010) +11.9%

I would also include a few Nevada Counties because one is actually part of the Sacramento CSA.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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I have heard;

Bay Area- Sacramento
Austin- San Antonio
Chicago- Milwaukee

And I remember seeing something (I think by Kidphilly) about New York City- Philadelphia
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The ties between D.C. and Baltimore are strong now and I predict will become even stronger. The whole region will get larger and become seamless for all practical purposes.

D.C./Baltimore CSA = 10 million + by 2020

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Old 05-26-2010, 07:43 PM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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I have heard;

Bay Area- Sacramento
Austin- San Antonio
Chicago- Milwaukee

And I remember seeing something (I think by Kidphilly) about New York City- Philadelphia
I can guarantee you that will not happen in a million billionty years.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Northridge, Los Angeles, CA
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You guys DO KNOW this is based on commuters sent from county to county? It's not just based on two cities being near each other, so they must obviously be in the same metro.

For better and for worse, the US Census' primary unit of analysis is the county.

CSA's are determined if a country sends more than 5% of their commuters to another county.
MSA's are determined if a county sends more than 15% of their commuters to another county.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/14102656-post37.html

I did an analysis on Milwaukee-Chicago AND Sacramento-Bay Area based on 2000 numbers. It kind of sucks having to work with 10 year old data now....


Differences between the 1990 and 2000 Census Questionnaires

(County of Residence - County Outflow)

Wisconsin [Milwaukee]:

Millwaukee-Cook, IL: 940
Milwaukee-DuPage, IL: 112
Milwaukee-Lake, IL: 626
Milwaukee-McHenry, IL: 53
Milwaukee-Will, IL: 53
Milwaukee-Lake, IN: 21
Milwaukee-Kenosha, WI: 1,570
Milwaukee County Total Commuters [:]Milwaukee County, Wisconsin - Selected Economic Characteristics: 2006-2008 438,652
Milwaukee County to Chicago land: 3375

LESS THAN 1% of Milwaukee's commuters commute to Chicagoland (in fact, its .007% of Milwaukee's commuters)



I realize there is more than one county in Milwaukee's metropolitan area, but its not even close to being one CSA, never mind one metro area. Unless someone shows me data saying otherwise, then Milwaukee and Chicago are probably going to remain two distinct metro areas for awhile. Unless the US census bureau changes the definition of an MSA or CSA. Unless something happened in the past 10 years that 20,000 people from Milwaukee have to commuter to Chicagoland all of a sudden. Somehow, I doubt that. In fact, Milwaukee didn't even send commuters to ALL of Chicagoland's counties (which is why it isn't present).

In fact, San Joaquin County has a bigger chance of being added as part of the Bay Area than Milwaukee being part of Chicagoland, even at 2000 census numbers.

San Joaquin County-Alameda: 19,954
San Joaquin County-Conta Costa: 3,669
San Joaquin County-Marin: 92
San Joaquin County- San Francisco: 1,194
San Joaquin County- San Mateo: 1,434
San Joaquin County- Santa Clara: 7,046
San Joaquin County-Solano: 459
San Joaquin County- Sonoma: 134
San Joaquin County total commuters (San Joaquin County, California - Selected Economic Characteristics: 2006-2008 269,040
San Joaquin County-Bay Area: 33,982

12.6% of San Joaquin County's commuters as of 2000 commuted to the Bay Area


Milwaukee to Chicago (core) is the same distance as Stockton to San Francisco (core) as well.

Chicago-Milwaukee: 93.1 miles (Chicago, IL to Milwaukee, WI - Google Maps)
San Francisco-Stockton: 83.0 miles (San Francisco, CA to Stockton, CA - Google Maps)

Even better, I'll do Sacramento to the Bay Area
San Francisco-Sacramento: 87.9 miles (San Francisco, CA to Sacramento, CA - Google Maps)

Sacramento County-Alameda: 1974
Sacramento County- Contra Costa: 1,370
Sacramento County- Marin: 267
Sacramento County- San Francisco: 1,359
Sacramento County- San Mateo: 671
Sacramento County- Santa Clara: 1,486
Sacramento County- Solano:3,233
Sacramento County- Sonoma: 294
Sacramento County total commuters: 616,702 (Sacramento County, California - Selected Economic Characteristics: 2006-2008)
Sacramento County-Bay Area: 10,654

1.7% of Sacramento County's commuters commute to the Bay Area

*Note: The tone of the above was meant for the Chicago-San Francisco thread

Here's another one that people like to cite to be one metro area, but has no bearing on reality: San Diego-Los Angeles

San Diego County-Los Angeles: 7,768
San Diego County-Orange: 12,277
San Diego County-Riverside: 5,882
San Diego County-San Bernardino: 2,373
San Diego County-Ventura: 459

San Diego County total commuters (San Diego County, California - Selected Economic Characteristics: 2006-2008
San Diego County-LA Metro: 28,759

2.0% of San Diego commuters commute to the LA area

Do the county-by-county analysis, and see what it looks like. However, I think its best to wait until the 2010 census release.
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Old 05-26-2010, 08:01 PM
 
Location: America
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dallas-ft. worth and new york metro
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