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Old 05-28-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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... did you even read the Source? Its not based solely on rider numbers. Maybe you should try reading.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Rockville, MD
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... did you even read the Source?
Well, you stated that the rankings you provided were "based more on daily riders", so my question was in response to that. Instead of getting all uppity (pretty much like you've been throughout this entire thread), how about providing the page in the 135 page PDF document that the rankings you included appear on? That's far more courteous than simply dropping in a link and stating "read this".
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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What is the value in comparing gross numbers of riders?
Great way to boost your city? LOL.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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Well, you stated that the rankings you provided were "based more on daily riders", so my question was in response to that. Instead of getting all uppity (pretty much like you've been throughout this entire thread), how about providing the page in the 135 page PDF document that the rankings you included appear on? That's far more courteous than simply dropping in a link and stating "read this".
Based more on daily riders does not mean based exclusively on daily riders.

The entire document is relevant to this thread, you should thus read the entire document. If you want my summary I compiled from their findings the top 20 metro areas. Either accept the work I already did or go read it and come up with your own results.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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Great way to boost your city? LOL.
My city has not even been mentioned in this thread but thanks for playing.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Based more on daily riders does not mean based exclusively on daily riders.

The entire document is relevant to this thread, you should thus read the entire document. If you want my summary I compiled from their findings the top 20 metro areas. Either accept the work I already did or go read it and come up with your own results.
Or, we'll just reject the work as suspect based upon your demonstrated lack of logical reasoning, and refusal to offer a meaningful data citation.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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That is the thing, most people DO consider Baltimore part of DC's metro... it is constantly included on this board. Myself, I couldn't really care much about the metro or burbs, Chicago is Chicago, DC is DC, Baltimore is Baltimore, Milwaukee is Milwaukee, SF is SF, San Jose is San Jose, they all have totally different feels and entities unto themselves.
I totally agree with you 100% here and I'd rep you if I could. I'm so sick of having to look up figures for MSA's and CSA's when I couldn't care less about the suburban areas of cities. I have never lived in a suburb and I will never live in a suburb (unless you count places like St. Paul or Oakland as suburbs), so why do I need to know about them? I thought this was City vs. City, but it has long since devolved into CSA vs. CSA.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Percentage seems like the more logical way of answering the question doesn't it?
Why is that more logical when NYC's mass transit system serves BOTH the greatest number of passengers AND the highest % of commuters? Perhaps the OP should have been more clear as to which figure he/she was going for. Chicago's system serves the 2nd greatest number of passengers, while DC's serves the 2nd highest % of commuters.

IMO, highest % of commuters using public transportation doesn't tell you everything about a city's system. Obviously DC, SF, Boston, and Philly have great transit infrastructure, but technically a small city like Tuscon or Madison could have the highest % of commuters using only the city's bus system. So I think ridership and system capacity need to be factored in as well. Don't you think it's impressive that despite being the 3rd largest metro area in the country (10 mil vs 14 mil in LA), that Chicago still manages to serve the 2nd greatest number of commuters everyday? Also, when B'more gets factored into DC's CSA, then Chicago has a higher % of commuters (but still less than SF/Boston) AND moves a greater number of passengers than all systems besides NYC. Which is why I think it should be considered #2 because it's so well-rounded.

One more thing to add: Chicago has the only mass transit system besides NYC that operates 24/7
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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Fine based more on daily riders than on the transit's innovation and modernity...

Here are the top 20 metros for public transportation in order:
1. New York City
2. Chicago
3. Los Angeles
4. San Francisco
5. Washington D.C.
6. Boston
7. Philadelphia
8. Seattle
9. Atlanta
10. Miami
11. Baltimore
12. San Diego
13. Houston
14. Dallas-Ft.Worth
15. Denver
16. Portland
17. Minneapolis-St. Paul
18. Honolulu
19. Detroit
20. Salt Lake City

Source: 2009 Urban Mobility Report, TTI (Search Results: (http://tti.tamu.edu/documents/mobility_report_2009_wappx.pdf) - broken link)
I don't have time to read through the source, however I have a hard time believing a study that ranks Washington DC below Los Angeles and San Francisco -- and this is coming from someone who grew up in the Bay Area.
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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I'm definately not going to rate Chicago's that high. The L feels slow, rickety, is mostly above ground and non-enclosed (which sucks in winter) and the last few years it has been run poorly by the CTA resulting in many stoppages and delays. They need to get their act together before it's ranked up there with some others. I've never thought much of the bus system in Chicago either. Seedy? Slow? Not sure who does these rankings and how they determine. I just base it on personal experience compared to other cities.
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