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I will agree Chicago has better nightlife but you guys keep acting like all the bars and clubs are allowed to stay open till 4a/5a when you know that is not true. Most close at 2a/3a, not that many stay open past that and they aren't allowed to either.
wait what? closing at 4-5 in the morning on friday saturday in chicago is the NORM, not the exception...There is no 2AM law like in California.
Chicago gets ragged on here for being a sports town, lots of drunks, long winters with nothing to do but drink, etc... but then when it is in competition for night life... somehow it isn't anymore??? I don't get it...it either is, or it isn't...and it is...people party hard and drink like crazy in Chicago. It might not have the club scene of Miami or Vegas, there are some sure, but that is just not the culture there, but trust me the night life there is very alive and people stay up at the bars very late.
According to a study released by the U.S Department of Health, more than a quarter of Chicagoans over the age of 12 fall into the category of binge drinking. That's more than any other city surveyed.
AND
The federal government's Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
(SAMHSA) released its ranking of the 15 largest metropolitan area last month and found that 25.7 percent of people in the Chicagp area were considered binge-drinker
Chicago listed as #1 binge drinking town:
Berkeley at the graduate level, is incredibly impressive.
Chicago Schools=Red Bay Area Schools=Blue
US News and World Report 2009 Ranking of Graduate Schools
Best Business Schools
1-tied Harvard 1-tied Stanford 3 U. of Pennsylvania(Wharton)*SF Campus
4-tie MIT(Sloan) 4-tie Northwestern(Kellogg)
7-tie Dartmouth(Tuck) 7-tie U. of California, Berkeley(Haas)
9 Columbia
10 NYU(Stern)
11 U. of California, Los Angeles(Anderson)
12 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor(Ross)
13 Yale
14-tie Cornell(Johnson)
14-tie Duke(Fuqua)
14-tie U. of Virginia(Darden)
Best Law Schools
1 Yale
2-tie Harvard 2-tie Stanford
4 Columbia
5 NYU 6 U. of California, Berkeley 7-tie U. of Chicago 7-tie U. of Pennsylvania 9-tie Northwestern 9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
9-tie U. of Virginia
12 Cornell
14 Georgetown
15 Vanderbilt
Best Medical Schools
1 Harvard
2 Johns Hopkins
3 Washington U. in St. Louis
4 U. of Pennsylvania 5 U. of California, San Francisco
6-tie Duke
6-tie U. of Washington 8 Stanford
9-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
9-tie Yale
11-tie Columbia
11-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 Baylor
14-tie U. of California, San Diego
14-tie U. of Pittsburgh
Best Engineering Schools
1 MIT 2 Stanford 3 U. of California, Berkeley
4 Georgia Tech
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6 Cal Tech
7 Carnegie Mellon
8 U. of California, Los Angeles(Viterbi)
9-tie Cornell
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
11 U. of California, San Diego
13-tie Texas A&M
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles(Samueli)
15-tie Purdue
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Education Schools 1 Stanford
2 Vanderbilt
3 U. of California, Los Angeles
4 Columbia
5 U. of Oregon
6 Harvard 7-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7-tie U. of Washington
9 U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
10-tie U. of Pennsylvania
10-tie U. of Texas, Austin 12-tie Northwestern
12-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
14-tie Michigan State U.
14-tie NYU
Best Biological Sciences Schools 1 Stanford
2-tie MIT 2-tie U. of California, Berkeley
4-tie Cal Tech
4-tie Harvard
6 Johns Hopkins
7-tie Rockefeller U.
7-tie Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of California, San Francisco
7-tie Yale
12-tie Cornell
12-tie Duke
12-tie Princeton
15-tie Columbia
15-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Chemistry Schools
1-tie Cal Tech
1-tie MIT 1-tie Stanford 1-tie U. of California, Berkeley
5 Harvard
6 Scripps Research Institute(CA)
7-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
7-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
9-tie Cornell 9-tie Northwestern 11 Columbia
12-tie U. of California, Los Angeles 12-tie U. of Chicago
12-tie U. of Texas, Austin
15 Yale
Best Computer Science Schools
1-tie MIT 1-tie Stanford 1-tie U. of California, Berkeley
4 Carnegie Mellon U.
5 U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
6-tie Cornell
6-tie Princeton
6-tie U. of Washington
9-tie Georgia Tech
9-tie U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Cal Tech
11-tie U. of Wisonsin, Madison
13-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Best Earth Science Schools
1 Cal Tech
2-tie MIT 2-tie Stanford 4 U. of California, Berkeley
5-tie Columbia
5-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
7 Pennsylvania State U., University Park
8 U. of Arizona
9 Harvard
9 U. of Texas, Austin
11-tie Princeton
11-tie U. of California, Los Angeles
11-tie U. of Washington
11-tie Yale
15-tie Cornell
15-tie U. of California, San Diego 15-tie U. of Chicago
15-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Mathematics Schools
1 Princeton
2-tie Harvard
2-tie-MIT 2-tie Stanford 2-tie U. of California, Berkeley 6 U. Of Chicago 7-tie Cal Tech
7-tie Yale
9-tie Columbia
9-tie NYU
9-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
12 U. of California, Los Angeles
13 Cornell
14-tie Brown
14-tie U. of Texas, Austin
14-tie U. of Wisconsin, Madison
Best Physics Schools
1-tie MIT 1-tie Stanford
3-tie Cal Tech
3-tie Harvard
3-tie Princeton 3-tie U. of California, Berkeley
7 Cornell 8-tie U. of Chicago
8-tie U. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
10 U. of California, Santa Barbara
11-tie Columbia
11-tie Yale
13-tie U. of Maryland, College Park
13-tie U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor
13-tie U. of Pennsylvania
But it does say something when all these towns are spread out over the entire region, 20,30,40,50+ miles from Downtown San Francisco.
The region is one of the most diverse in the world.
I'm kind of surprised Purdue beat out Champaign for Engineering....
What exactly is your point? That list shows both public and private universities, and as you can see both NW and UC are ranked above Berkeley.
That particular USNews list is for undergraduate schooling, and factors in several non-academic factors, such as alumni donation rate, class size, etc, that have long been known to skew the data in favor of private institutions.
In terms of overall graduate education, Berkeley and Stanford >> Chicago and NWU. Those two bay area schools are hands-down the two comprehensively best institutions of higher learning for all fields of study.
Don't forget that the University of Wisconsin draws a good deal of its student body from Chicagoland and is essentially their other major state school after UIUC.
Not exactly in the league of any of the 4 schools mentioned.
I'm kind of surprised Purdue beat out Champaign for Engineering....
It didn't.
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Originally Posted by DeusEx
That particular USNews list is for undergraduate schooling, and factors in several non-academic factors, such as alumni donation rate, class size, etc, that have long been known to skew the data in favor of private institutions.
In terms of overall graduate education, Berkeley and Stanford >> Chicago and NWU. Those two bay area schools are hands-down the two comprehensively best institutions of higher learning for all fields of study.
1. Undergraduate students make up most of the students in the world and United States by far (you need to get a bachelors degree before you get a masters degree)
2. Those factors may not directly relate to the education that a schools provides, but it nonetheless is a large part of the quality of learning.
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Originally Posted by DeusEx
Not exactly in the league of any of the 4 schools mentioned.
So? It is still top tier and Notre Dame is right there as well.
You know this thread is over? She chose Chicago. She's looking for a place right now in Chicago.SF is a cool city no doubt but Chicago has so much more and it's breathtaking and it clearly is the better "city".
Chicagoland is comprised of 16 counties, why do you keep using the same few?
Well, I was responding to someone who claimed that the Bay Area's suburbs were overwhelmingly "Lily White". And it turns out that this is far more true of Chicagoland.
Outside of Cook County, Its not diverse at all compared to the Bay Area. And not just as far as race, but also as far as foreign born residents and as far as the number of wealthy and highly educated minorities spread out over the entire region.
wait what? closing at 4-5 in the morning on friday saturday in chicago is the NORM, not the exception...There is no 2AM law like in California.
This is actually a stretch, during college i bartended at several bars in Chicago, and most bars close at 2am, with last call somewhere around 140am. Most of the bars along Clark in Lakeview (wrigleyville) are 2am, I can think of 2 bars on Lincoln near Depaul that are 4am, most of the Wickerpark/Bucktown bars are 2am, Some of the Bars near Clark/Division are 4am.
Your making sound like your average bar in Chicago is 4am, which is NOT the case.
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