Please try and sell Cleveland to me (Columbus, Akron: home, unemployment)
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People in Cleveland really don't know how good they've got it in terms of weather. Here in MN we get -20 in the winter, and +100 in the summer. There are so few days here that are just nice. It's either too hot, too cold, too windy, too rainy, etc. I'm sure there are other places in the country, especially this middle section which includes Chicago, St. Louis, and down through Texas, that are just as bad. I would take Cleveland weather over the stuff we get here any day.
I really feel Ohioans in general have the worst case of "grass is always greener elsewhere" syndrome ever. I like living in Ohio personally, but I hear so many people say "I can't wait to get the hell out!". Sure, I understand Ohio isn't for everyone. Every resident of every state don't fit where their born, but it seems like so many of Ohioans feel the need to leave the state to be happy (This probably includes other residents of other states saying this as well, but I'm only saying what I hear in the state I live in). The funny thing is, a lot of the people I see move away always come back for whatever reason.
Personally, I don't mind the weather too much. Sure, Winters can be long, but their not THAT bad. I'll take the Winters if it means I can still live in a state that is home to my family, friends, and the sports teams I love. I have a friend in Texas and a friend in California, so I have vacation spots if need-be.
I really feel Ohioans in general have the worst case of "grass is always greener elsewhere" syndrome ever. I like living in Ohio personally, but I hear so many people say "I can't wait to get the hell out!". Sure, I understand Ohio isn't for everyone. Every resident of every state don't fit where their born, but it seems like so many of Ohioans feel the need to leave the state to be happy (This probably includes other residents of other states saying this as well, but I'm only saying what I hear in the state I live in). The funny thing is, a lot of the people I see move away always come back for whatever reason.
Personally, I don't mind the weather too much. Sure, Winters can be long, but their not THAT bad. I'll take the Winters if it means I can still live in a state that is home to my family, friends, and the sports teams I love. I have a friend in Texas and a friend in California, so I have vacation spots if need-be.
Well, I've been to the "other side" where the grass is not greener...I've been back for 3 months and don't plan on ever again, leaving Ohio....
I haven't read all the posts to be honest but thought I'd chime in here anyways. We're originally from Sandusky Ohio, about an hour to the east of Cleveland. We've lived in Houston for the past 15 years and are now considering moving back "home".
Cleveland is a great city that takes it on the chin unfortunately. Cleveland is a great city that also happens to have some bad areas of town, no different than Houston.
I work with plenty of folks who constantly disparage Cleveland and yet, they've never been there, or worse yet, they had a layover at the airport...uh, yeah. I particularly love it when people mention the Cuyahoga River fire of 1969 and those that make the comment weren't even born yet!
Give Cleveland a shot. Ohio really is a great state with plenty of natural beauty (which we REALLY miss).
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People in Cleveland really don't know how good they've got it in terms of weather. Here in MN we get -20 in the winter, and +100 in the summer. There are so few days here that are just nice. It's either too hot, too cold, too windy, too rainy, etc. I'm sure there are other places in the country, especially this middle section which includes Chicago, St. Louis, and down through Texas, that are just as bad. I would take Cleveland weather over the stuff we get here any day.
Totally (even though you are a constant MN whiner), the weather in Cleveland simply isn't "that" bad -- at least in terms of coldness or duration. It also hardly ever gets super hot (this week is different). I can tell because the other day the high temp was projected to be 96 and the all-time high was 98.....for JULY! In MN, a cold place, the JULY all-time highs are almost ALL over 100. I figured it'd be hotter here, but it's pretty nice actually -- you should be proud of your summers here! I've also lived in Chicago (cold, wet, windy winters; sultry summers) and St. Louis (summers that rival Haties) and there are definite cons to both. Weather is subjective AND it's always "better" somewhere where you are not, because it's different and different is all you want when you aren't comfortable. In summer I crave for fall and cooler temps, but then I get winter and it's too cold. Then I crave spring and its more moderate temps, but then I get summer and it's 110 heat index all the sudden. I always want what I don't have -- AFTER I've had my fix of the current season (which lasts less than a month).
Totally (even though you are a constant MN whiner), the weather in Cleveland simply isn't "that" bad -- at least in terms of coldness or duration. It also hardly ever gets super hot (this week is different). I can tell because the other day the high temp was projected to be 96 and the all-time high was 98.....for JULY! In MN, a cold place, the JULY all-time highs are almost ALL over 100. I figured it'd be hotter here, but it's pretty nice actually -- you should be proud of your summers here! I've also lived in Chicago (cold, wet, windy winters; sultry summers) and St. Louis (summers that rival Haties) and there are definite cons to both. Weather is subjective AND it's always "better" somewhere where you are not, because it's different and different is all you want when you aren't comfortable. In summer I crave for fall and cooler temps, but then I get winter and it's too cold. Then I crave spring and its more moderate temps, but then I get summer and it's 110 heat index all the sudden. I always want what I don't have -- AFTER I've had my fix of the current season (which lasts less than a month).
How would you rate the snow removal in Winter and the general ease/dangerousness of getting around during the Winter months? I've seen some nasty pictures, but have heard that the area knows (for the most part) how to clear the snow and let people do what they need to do in the Winter.
I really feel Ohioans in general have the worst case of "grass is always greener elsewhere" syndrome ever. I like living in Ohio personally, but I hear so many people say "I can't wait to get the hell out!". Sure, I understand Ohio isn't for everyone. Every resident of every state don't fit where their born, but it seems like so many of Ohioans feel the need to leave the state to be happy (This probably includes other residents of other states saying this as well, but I'm only saying what I hear in the state I live in). The funny thing is, a lot of the people I see move away always come back for whatever reason.
Personally, I don't mind the weather too much. Sure, Winters can be long, but their not THAT bad. I'll take the Winters if it means I can still live in a state that is home to my family, friends, and the sports teams I love. I have a friend in Texas and a friend in California, so I have vacation spots if need-be.
Exactly on the grass is greener. Just came back from Michigan, and people do not realize how good of shape Ohio is in. And where I came from, Indiana, which seems devoid of culture compared to Ohio, Ohioans just don't realize what they have right in their own backyard.
crolma,
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But to say Cleveland's RTA, even with the budget cuts, is both "non-existent" and "scary", is both factually incorrect and over-generalized/silly, respectively.
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And what do you mean by scary? During the recent July 4th weekend I saw tons of folks riding buses and trains into downtown Cleveland for the many events... none of them looked "scared." btw, RTA's recent rider-figures show an 18% bump in Red Line rapid ridership over last June's... EVEN WITH what people uniformly recognize is Cleveland's tough economy... Scary? you need to do better than that.
"(re Shaker Heights) The housing stock is relatively charming and well kept up."
crolma, you've really got that Shakspaerean damning with faint praise thing going on... Shaker, after nearly 100 years of existence, is still one of the national models of urban/suburban living. It's housing stock is considered a little more (sarcasm added) than "relatively charming and well kept up."
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Sorry for taking so long to respond.
RE: Mass Transit.
Certainly I would not describe the RTA trains as scary, especially not the blue line to Shaker. Nor am I surprised that it was crowded and seemed safe at a major event. What I'm talking about is the buses on ordinary days, and not all the buses. My wife takes these buses a couple of times a month and reports conversations going on about gang business, this or that guys children by more than one woman, and other unsavoury activities that make you think twice about your neighbourhood. Also, lots of mean looking down and out people that make her uncomfortable in real time.
RE: Shaker
I'd have to say that Shaker is quite splendid compared to almost every other suburb in Cleveland or the United States. It's just slipping a bit relative to its own past (say 15 years back), according to conversations I've had with people who have lived there. Also, the decline in real estate prices tells a story. None of this should be taken as a condemnation of Shaker relative to other places, or an indication of a significant decline. Shaker is great, just a bit less great than it was.
a growing economy, 4 comfortable seasons, one of the best metroparks systems in North America, not just the USA, a top 5 arts scene, NFL, MLB, NBA, and might as well have NHL (Columbus is little brother between Cinci and Cleveland), nearby other great cities (Akron, Pittsburgh, Canton), a top private university (Case Western Reserve, ranked with the Ivies), Kent State, Cleveland State, UAkron, Malone, RTA Rail Transit, the Euclid Corridor, a rich history, a great brew scene (GLBC!), one of the top farmers and artisan markets in the USA (West Side Market), Coventry in neighboring Cleveland Heights as one of the finest examples of larger-scale urbanist developments in America, the density of DC in the suburbs (Lakewood), an open minded, young population, MELT, billions in current development including a booming residential downtown population, West 6th street, the Lake, the Jake, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, boatwatching on the shore, one of the fastest growing and now one of the top fine dining scenes in the WORLD, growing film industry, diversity, diversity, diversity (and it's authentic, too! Try finding pierogis as good as Sovolowskis ANYWHERE else), Parma, legendary delis, the beauty of Bratenahl, Tremont, Ohio City, a beautiful Little Italy, Polish boy, friendly people, blue collar hardworking demeanor, A Christmas Story, The International Film Festival, The Monsters, The Crush, Norris Cole, The O'Jays, a booming local hip hop scene, a booming local foods scene, hours drive from NYC, Chicago, Philly, Cinci, Columbus, Indy, Detroit, Toronto, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Charleston(WV), and many more, great local radio, The Plain Dealer (one of the finest pieces of newsprint you'll ever lay hands on), new biotech startups, below average unemployment, a decent aerospace industry, city wide wi-fi (in progress), one of the best cities to hold conventions in, LOW cost of living, CIA, CIM, right down the road from Cedar Point, a little further to King's Island, great traffic, beautiful suburbs with solid housing stock and walkability, and LOTS more.
a growing economy, 4 comfortable seasons, one of the best metroparks systems in North America, not just the USA, a top 5 arts scene, NFL, MLB, NBA, and might as well have NHL (Columbus is little brother between Cinci and Cleveland), nearby other great cities (Akron, Pittsburgh, Canton), a top private university (Case Western Reserve, ranked with the Ivies), Kent State, Cleveland State, UAkron, Malone, RTA Rail Transit, the Euclid Corridor, a rich history, a great brew scene (GLBC!), one of the top farmers and artisan markets in the USA (West Side Market), Coventry in neighboring Cleveland Heights as one of the finest examples of larger-scale urbanist developments in America, the density of DC in the suburbs (Lakewood), an open minded, young population, MELT, billions in current development including a booming residential downtown population, West 6th street, the Lake, the Jake, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, boatwatching on the shore, one of the fastest growing and now one of the top fine dining scenes in the WORLD, growing film industry, diversity, diversity, diversity (and it's authentic, too! Try finding pierogis as good as Sovolowskis ANYWHERE else), Parma, legendary delis, the beauty of Bratenahl, Tremont, Ohio City, a beautiful Little Italy, Polish boy, friendly people, blue collar hardworking demeanor, A Christmas Story, The International Film Festival, The Monsters, The Crush, Norris Cole, The O'Jays, a booming local hip hop scene, a booming local foods scene, hours drive from NYC, Chicago, Philly, Cinci, Columbus, Indy, Detroit, Toronto, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Charleston(WV), and many more, great local radio, The Plain Dealer (one of the finest pieces of newsprint you'll ever lay hands on), new biotech startups, below average unemployment, a decent aerospace industry, city wide wi-fi (in progress), one of the best cities to hold conventions in, LOW cost of living, CIA, CIM, right down the road from Cedar Point, a little further to King's Island, great traffic, beautiful suburbs with solid housing stock and walkability, and LOTS more.
A list I've used in a few threads now...
Umm, what city you talking about?
If you are talking about Cleveland there may be a few inaccuracies... 4 comfortable seasons, I'd say winter is a little extreme.
an open minded young population, Cleveland-area fifth oldest among the 54 urban areas (40+) link from your own PD Census shows Cleveland-Akron has near the highest median age in the U.S.: Statistical Snapshot | cleveland.com Hours drive from NYC,Chicago, Philly, why not include Nashville
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