10-07-2011, 12:37 PM
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While I don't like the Ravens, I absolutely DESPISE the Steelers! My reasoning is simple; we have virtually no Baltimore Ravens fans in Cleveland. We do on the other hand have a TON of Steelers fans in this city! Only in Cleveland would the rival team have such a huge presence!
I know a lot of Steelers fans relocated from WPA, and I don't have a problem with them. My issue is with the wanna be Ohio born Steelers fans. It's also the fact that we constantly have to hear their dribble about how great they are, and acting like football only started in the early 70s when they won their first championship after 40 years of absolute sucktitude! We don't have Ravens fans here rubbing it in our face, so for me it's easy.
Also, it's time to put to bed the whole move. We have our team, history, and colors, and Modell is no longer a factor in Baltimore. I recommend reading the book "Fumble." It was written from an insiders perspective, and sheds a lot of light on the situation that transpired with the Browns moving to Baltimore.
10-07-2011, 12:38 PM
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It had a lot to do with perception and, let's face it, Modell was never very well liked. He also put his face in front of the controversy with his "build me a new stadium or else" rhetoric. The way he and his front office treated Kosar on his way out didn't endear him to many either. Lerner likely knew that the only way to get the guy out of town was to lure the rat out with cheese. And, that's pretty much how it went down. Then, Lerner and his group swooped in and re-established the Browns franchise in record time. People were so happy to have their team back and the hatred for Modell was brimming so much that people largely ignored Lerner's role. In Lerner's defense, it was no secret that ol' Artie was looking to move the team anyway so he could "compete" in a new stadium -- even though 82,000 fans filled the old one (that he leased from the city for $1) nearly every game and the Browns turned a sizeable profit every single year.
You hit the nail on the head!
10-07-2011, 03:01 PM
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While I don't like the Ravens, I absolutely DESPISE the Steelers! My reasoning is simple; we have virtually no Baltimore Ravens fans in Cleveland. We do on the other hand have a TON of Steelers fans in this city!
Only in Cleveland would the rival team have such a huge presence! I know a lot of Steelers fans relocated from WPA, and I don't have a problem with them. My issue is with the wanna be Ohio born Steelers fans. It's also the fact that we constantly have to hear their dribble about how great they are, and acting like football only started in the early 70s when they won their first championship after 40 years of absolute sucktitude! We don't have Ravens fans here rubbing it in our face, so for me it's easy.
Not necessarily. For example, there are a ton of Green Bay fans in Chicago. I know many of them.
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Also, it's time to put to bed the whole move. We have our team, history, and colors, and Modell is no longer a factor in Baltimore. I recommend reading the book "Fumble." It was written from an insiders perspective, and sheds a lot of light on the situation that transpired with the Browns moving to Baltimore.
It was "put to bed" in 1999, but that doesn't make the situation any less interesting. It also can be learned from (basically, in how not to do things from an ownership perspective). Also, Modell will always be a factor in Baltimore whether he owns the team or not. Just ask your average Baltimore fan who is old enough to remember the "midnight move" what he or she thinks about Irsay. It happened over 25 years ago and they still hate the guy.
Also, I found "Fumble!" to be a little more apologetic towards Modell than it should have been. The Stadium deal he had was a sweetheart deal, to say the least. Yes, it was an old building that cost a bit to maintain (and, they did the bare minimum, at that). Yes, he lost the Indians as a tenant. But, he paid NOTHING for the place for 25 years! Had the guy had better business sense and a lot more tact, a new stadium would have been built in due time. The proof to the statement currently sits on the lakefront. Modell and his me-first attitude was his ultimate downfall.
10-07-2011, 03:12 PM
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While I don't like the Ravens, I absolutely DESPISE the Steelers! My reasoning is simple; we have virtually no Baltimore Ravens fans in Cleveland. We do on the other hand have a TON of Steelers fans in this city! Only in Cleveland would the rival team have such a huge presence!
I know a lot of Steelers fans relocated from WPA, and I don't have a problem with them. My issue is with the wanna be Ohio born Steelers fans. It's also the fact that we constantly have to hear their dribble about how great they are, and acting like football only started in the early 70s when they won their first championship after 40 years of absolute sucktitude! We don't have Ravens fans here rubbing it in our face, so for me it's easy.
Also, it's time to put to bed the whole move. We have our team, history, and colors, and Modell is no longer a factor in Baltimore. I recommend reading the book "Fumble." It was written from an insiders perspective, and sheds a lot of light on the situation that transpired with the Browns moving to Baltimore.
There are lots of Steelers fans in southern Ohio too...my take on the Browns move to Baltimore is a taxpayer bailout for Modell.They should call Baltimore the Stealers....
10-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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10-07-2011, 06:44 PM
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There are not a "ton" of Steelers fans in Ohio. Maybe some gay guys here or there. But 90%+ of football fans in Cleveland are Browns fans. I literally cannot think of one single Baltisore fan in Cleveland, like seriously.
10-07-2011, 07:33 PM
Location: Pittsburgh PA
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I honestly don't know a single person who has EVER rooted for those ratbirds. Every person I know hates the Baltimore Ravens and wishes nothing but the worst for them and Art Modell.
Cleveland_Collector did bring up the most ironic fact about the whole situation. Still boggles my mind how the Lerner family never got grief for their part in the ordeal.
Regardless, GO BROWNS and F**K the Ravens AND Steelers!!
lol that's funny, Steelers and Ravens are the only teams in the AFC north that can even make it to the playoffs, Cincy has a lucky year here and there but for the most part sucks, and Cleveland is stuck in the land of Mediocrity. Last Steelers-Browns game: 41-9 Pittsburgh,
10-07-2011, 08:47 PM
Location: Cleveland, OH
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lol that's funny, Steelers and Ravens are the only teams in the AFC north that can even make it to the playoffs, Cincy has a lucky year here and there but for the most part sucks, and Cleveland is stuck in the land of Mediocrity. Last Steelers-Browns game: 41-9 Pittsburgh,
LOL! It's funny that is so boring on the Pittsburgh boards that a Pitt native's gotta come to a Cleveland board to troll.
10-07-2011, 09:45 PM
Location: Philaburbia
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Question: Why is it that Cleveland is the only city in the AFC North that can speak with proper english??
Please?
I will give you this: Cleveland is the only city in the AFC North where people can properly drive an automobile.
I'm not sure that's saying much, but there it is.
10-07-2011, 11:53 PM
Location: Ohio
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lol that's funny, Steelers and Ravens are the only teams in the AFC north that can even make it to the playoffs, Cincy has a lucky year here and there but for the most part sucks, and Cleveland is stuck in the land of Mediocrity. Last Steelers-Browns game: 41-9 Pittsburgh,
LOL....that's all I'll say. I had more written, however I like this site and don't feel like getting banned.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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I know a lot of Steelers fans relocated from WPA, and I don't have a problem with them. My issue is with the wanna be Ohio born Steelers fans. It's also the fact that we constantly have to hear their dribble about how great they are, and acting like football only started in the early 70s when they won their first championship after 40 years of absolute sucktitude! We don't have Ravens fans here rubbing it in our face, so for me it's easy. 
