A dying city? (Cleveland, Russia, Rome: asbestos, living in, cost of)

[Traveler87]

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[Chef Boyardee]

Cleveland is unkillable! lol However, it is shrinkable and that process is still underway. In the meantime, there's plenty of room for trendy lofts, nightclubs, fancy restaurants and art galleries. Neato! lol

Other than cocktails and hysterectomies, we don't make anything here anymore. lol Of course, we still buy crap from China and don't give a darn if they buy anything from us.

"Smart Trade can work for Greater Cleveland American policy on trade must be fundamentally altered. We need to trade with countries that will buy our products so that trade is mutually beneficial. For a few pennies, products are cheaper for some consumers, but other consumers pay more because they have lost better jobs. Once we lose our manufacturing base, we lose our economic security and nation’s security. Smart Trade is the Trakas approach, select trading partners who compliment our economy and vice versa. In addition to more vigorously promoting exports to other nations who can afford to buy our products, America must not lose it’s strategic position as the World’s Superpower and the economic benefits it entails. Trading with cheaters is a losing propostion for the American worker and consumer."

http://www.jimtrakas.org/issues.php

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

Our Federal Government is enabling people to live wherever they want to. Sometimes that includes being able to pay for it and sometimes it doesn't.

What I think is creating chaos is our Federal Government enabling people to move wherever they want to, regardless of that area wanting them or not. I think our Federal Government should be enabling communities to protect themselves from "invasion," instead of enabling "invaders."

If you can pay for it, I don't see how that is "enabling". That is the basic free market approach. I don't see buying a house in a certain area as being an "invader".

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

If you can pay for it, I don't see how that is "enabling". That is the basic free market approach. I don't see buying a house in a certain area as being an "invader".

That's the Progressive attitude and I think it is incompetent.

First of all, you talk about "basic free market," but it isn't what you mean. What you really mean is some relatively new freedoms for consumers, but many new restrictions on vendors and consumers! So, it's just a scam.

In regards to invasion, when vendors, like realtors for example, are restrained from discriminating between consumers, then that community has lost its' most powerful defensive weapon.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

That's the Progressive attitude and I think it is incompetent.

First of all, you talk about "basic free market," but it isn't what you mean. What you really mean is some relatively new freedoms for consumers, but many new restrictions on vendors and consumers! So, it's just a scam.

In regards to invasion, when vendors, like realtors for example, are restrained from discriminating between consumers, then that community has lost its' most powerful defensive weapon.

What if it was you they were doing it to? I don't think anyone should be denied the right to live where they want. If I want to live in a specific place and I can pay for it, that should be my choice. If the residents don't like it they can go somewhere else. And besides, the free market can't work properly if there is exclusion. Anyone who can buy should be entitled to it. That is what the struggle for civil rights was about: The right to live like a human being and to not be treated as second class. Yes there are some citizens who behave like second class, but I don't. Should I be denied certain things because there are people out there who look like me who do act stupid?

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

What if it was you they were doing it to? I don't think anyone should be denied the right to live where they want. If I want to live in a specific place and I can pay for it, that should be my choice. If the residents don't like it they can go somewhere else. And besides, the free market can't work properly if there is exclusion. Anyone who can buy should be entitled to it. That is what the struggle for civil rights was about: The right to live like a human being and to not be treated as second class. Yes there are some citizens who behave like second class, but I don't. Should I be denied certain things because there are people out there who look like me who do act stupid?

You seem very ignorant when it comes to The Free Market. It is not just freedom for Consumers; it is freedom for Vendors as well.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

You seem very ignorant when it comes to The Free Market. It is not just freedom for Consumers; it is freedom for Vendors as well.

Sure, the vendor might have the freedom to choose who to sell to, but if that vendor wants to make the most amount of money for his or her work, it would do the vendor very good to let anyone who has money buy from him or her.
Now it is time for a question to YOU: What if you wanted something and no one would let you buy it because you were "different" despite having the money to buy it?
As for Cleveland being a dying city and you blaming integration, well, I used to live on the West Coast(near Seattle) and from my experience is find it to be more "mixed" than many places in the eastern USA and Seattle isn't dying. It went through some hard economic times in the 1970's but it came back with a vengeance and right now, the thing that might hurt Seattle is the demise of WaMu, which is an economic issue. I am just saying Cleveland started having big problems when the economy started to go down. Yes, alo of people didn't like integration. You see is as a loss of freedom.I see it was doing what is right. If I want to live somewhere, it is my choice. Why should anyone be prohibited from living anywhere they want or traveling to where they want simply because of their race or ethnicity? Give a solid argument. Don't give me the "chaos" argument. To me chaos is when a neighborhood is full of crime. People of every ethnic group have committed crimes. You ever hear of the Purple Gang, the Tongs, Vice Lords? Gangs and crime cross every ethnic group. The "prejudging" won't always help because who knows, someone from the inside who has been their a long time could committ a string of violent crimes.

[northoceanbeach]

You can't even begin to compare integration in west coast cities vs. east coast. Seattle is 10% black, cleveland is 50%

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

Sure, the vendor might have the freedom to choose who to sell to, but if that vendor wants to make the most amount of money for his or her work, it would do the vendor very good to let anyone who has money buy from him or her.
Now it is time for a question to YOU: What if you wanted something and no one would let you buy it because you were "different" despite having the money to buy it?
As for Cleveland being a dying city and you blaming integration, well, I used to live on the West Coast(near Seattle) and from my experience is find it to be more "mixed" than many places in the eastern USA and Seattle isn't dying. It went through some hard economic times in the 1970's but it came back with a vengeance and right now, the thing that might hurt Seattle is the demise of WaMu, which is an economic issue. I am just saying Cleveland started having big problems when the economy started to go down. Yes, alo of people didn't like integration. You see is as a loss of freedom.I see it was doing what is right. If I want to live somewhere, it is my choice. Why should anyone be prohibited from living anywhere they want or traveling to where they want simply because of their race or ethnicity? Give a solid argument. Don't give me the "chaos" argument. To me chaos is when a neighborhood is full of crime. People of every ethnic group have committed crimes. You ever hear of the Purple Gang, the Tongs, Vice Lords? Gangs and crime cross every ethnic group. The "prejudging" won't always help because who knows, someone from the inside who has been their a long time could committ a string of violent crimes.

First you want a Free Market and then you don't! It sounds to me like you just want what you want when you want it and you don't give a darn about anybody else; just you and yours. However, you don't want anyone else to have that attitude

In other words, you want Freedom for "you," but not for anyone else!

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

First you want a Free Market and then you don't! It sounds to me like you just want what you want when you want it and you don't give a darn about anybody else; just you and yours. However, you don't want anyone else to have that attitude

In other words, you want Freedom for "you," but not for anyone else!

Wow. Personal attacks. What do YOU really want?