A dying city? (Cleveland: to live in, restaurant, costs)

[OhioPilot]

Why wold manufacturing come back here? We do not need great lake shipping to move raw materials as much anymore. So if manufacturing can be in other places of the country, why think of Cleveland?

Medical is not recession proof. I was just saying that medical is the only area that seems to excel here right now. It is a shining light for Cleveland.

[Clevelander17]

Originally Posted by OhioPilot

Why wold manufacturing come back here? We do not need great lake shipping to move raw materials as much anymore. So if manufacturing can be in other places of the country, why think of Cleveland?

Medical is not recession proof. I was just saying that medical is the only area that seems to excel here right now. It is a shining light for Cleveland.

Manufacturing will go where it can most easily "abuse" local unskilled labor forces. In many cases, that means moving overseas. In some cases, that means taking advantage of the limited regulations and taxes in Sun Belt states. Generally speaking, that means moving away from states with heavy union presences. There's very little reason why Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania can't attract companies to move back in, however it will take some major policy changes. The only thing these beyond control that these states have holding them back is supposedly bad weather, and even that's not as big of an issue as some would believe. Reality is that no area is doomed to failure--with the right policies and leadership, any area can succeed.

Medical may not be recession-proof, but it has been and will remain more stable than most industries. No reason why Cleveland can't or shouldn't continue to try to remain strong in that industry while it figures out other ways to become competitive.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Clevelander17

Manufacturing will go where it can most easily "abuse" local unskilled labor forces. In many cases, that means moving overseas. In some cases, that means taking advantage of the limited regulations and taxes in Sun Belt states. Generally speaking, that means moving away from states with heavy union presences. There's very little reason why Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania can't attract companies to move back in, however it will take some major policy changes. The only thing these beyond control that these states have holding them back is supposedly bad weather, and even that's not as big of an issue as some would believe. Reality is that no area is doomed to failure--with the right policies and leadership, any area can succeed.

Medical may not be recession-proof, but it has been and will remain more stable than most industries. No reason why Cleveland can't or shouldn't continue to try to remain strong in that industry while it figures out other ways to become competitive.

This is what I have to say. I don't see anything wrong with the concept of unions. I am aware that you have alot of crooks in the unions. You have corporate crooks too. My solutionon't get rid of the union, get rid of the crooks. Alot of manufacturing companies want cheap labor. That is a why a Kia plant is opening in the state of Georgia and not in Cleveland and especially not Detroit. If workers start unionising in Georgia, Kia would very much leave. That is just quite sad. Right now, companies are looking for cheap labor. What needs to be done is to grow from the inside as well as try to attract people from the outside. At least if people on the inside are given incentives to start businesses and hire out of the city of Cleveland, at least the ball can start rolling. It wouuld be a good idea to try and attract companies to Cleveland. With that said, Cleveland must work on the inside too.

[1watertiger]

read nebulpos1 above. thats pretty damn right on....piratte, thats pretty godd*m sad when we brag about a ***. company opening in georgia because of low wage/benifit states.... and remember everyone was working in poor unsafe conditions a hundred yrs ago. dont forget the unions made 40hr work weeks with some medical and helped protect the workers so the greedy ceo couldnt abuse avg. joe. hmmm sounds like the country is going backwards to me . i wonder if the 12 yr olds would be in sweat shops making clothes for walmart if they had a union ?

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

read nebulpos1 above. thats pretty damn right on....piratte, thats pretty godd*m sad when we brag about a ***. company opening in georgia because of low wage/benifit states.... and remember everyone was working in poor unsafe conditions a hundred yrs ago. dont forget the unions made 40hr work weeks with some medical and helped protect the workers so the greedy ceo couldnt abuse avg. joe. hmmm sounds like the country is going backwards to me . i wonder if the 12 yr olds would be in sweat shops making clothes for walmart if they had a union ?

Plenty of people in Georgia could use the jobs. With that in mind, people also need to know their worth as workers and not be afraid to question their treatment. You also have to understand this: The KKK formed in the South and one of the people they targeted other than Blacks, Jews, and Catholics were also labor unions because it was thought that unions were connected with communism. I always thought unions were as American as you could get. Other than that, I think that there is a passive mentality when it comes to labor. I don't know where it comes from.

[Chef Boyardee]

Nobody wants to open a business, only to have a bunch of uppity employees boss him around

[dpmp]

Hi

I'm from OK and would like to explore different areas in Cleveland to live, but I don't know a thing about the city of Cleveland. I would like to see a rating of the different areas in Cleveland that you would prefer/rank. Appreciate your help.

[Boffo]

It really depends on your situation. If you're a young person, you might enjoy the Warehouse District or the Gateway District both in downtown. The neighborhood of Tremont is seeing a lot of investment and a lot of younger people are living there. Also, the inner ring suburbs of Lakewood and Cleveland Heights are popular. If you're looking for a family atmosphere, you may want to check out Old Brooklyn, West Park (which includes Kamm's Corner, Jefferson, Riverside), and Edgewater neighborhoods. Lakewood, Cleveland Heights, and Shaker Heights are also good family locales. I've includes some pictures of the various neighborhoods as well as some other websites you may find useful. Feel free to ask any other questions you might have about the area.
Edgewater pics
CLEVELAND - life on the Edge(water)
Warehouse District and Downtown pics
Around Cleveland Part Three: The WHD & Downtown
Old Brooklyn pics
Cleveland: South Hills (Old Brooklyn neighborhood)
East 4th info (Gateway District)
East Fourth Neighborhood - Cleveland, OH

[cavsfan1129]

Why Cleveland is faltering:
- wasted resources
- glutten on residents and business (big house, big car: ok job meets the CEO who wants to save money to send jobs overseas and have really nice expenses in trade shows and corporate pork
- Lack of personal drive. Not everyone of course, but let's not pretend that we have people who don't work, live off the system and have their hand out for someone to bail them out. They've been working at it for years, they're pros at it. I've never seen so many lazy people in my life and I love Cleveland! So many people who make life hard for them. Mr. or Mrs. too good to work at Burger King, so they wont take that job, but they have no marketable skills to get any other job. You've got to be humble enough to crawl before you walk and I know so many people who are stuck in this mode. So I think our city needs a little humility.
- Crime!!!!!!!! That's right, people are desperate now. Do you know what some of those people do that don't legally work? They deal drugs. People looking to buy drugs are getting robbed. Crackheads are tearing up boarded up housing looking for pipes, etc that they can sell. Home invasions are on the rise (i no this up close) and people are just out of there minds.


We all can do something about the community. Sounds cliche, but doesn't this all start at home? Don't we need to get morale and morals back in our city. With hard work and holding everyone accountable (government, business and family) the city could rebound.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by cavsfan1129

Why Cleveland is faltering:
- wasted resources
- glutten on residents and business (big house, big car: ok job meets the CEO who wants to save money to send jobs overseas and have really nice expenses in trade shows and corporate pork
- Lack of personal drive. Not everyone of course, but let's not pretend that we have people who don't work, live off the system and have their hand out for someone to bail them out. They've been working at it for years, they're pros at it. I've never seen so many lazy people in my life and I love Cleveland! So many people who make life hard for them. Mr. or Mrs. too good to work at Burger King, so they wont take that job, but they have no marketable skills to get any other job. You've got to be humble enough to crawl before you walk and I know so many people who are stuck in this mode. So I think our city needs a little humility.
- Crime!!!!!!!! That's right, people are desperate now. Do you know what some of those people do that don't legally work? They deal drugs. People looking to buy drugs are getting robbed. Crackheads are tearing up boarded up housing looking for pipes, etc that they can sell. Home invasions are on the rise (i no this up close) and people are just out of there minds.


We all can do something about the community. Sounds cliche, but doesn't this all start at home? Don't we need to get morale and morals back in our city. With hard work and holding everyone accountable (government, business and family) the city could rebound.

A better morale is one thing Cleveland can use right now.

As for everything else, I have a perspective that is somewhat cynical and hopeful. People do need to work. With that said, there are also people who are having trouble getting jobs. I don't believe in living off of welfare permanently, but I also believe there should be a safety net there to make sure you can get back on your feet when you do fall.

The crime in Cleveland, well I look at it from this. Many places that are poor and low on jobs will breed high crime situations. One way to get the crime down starts with the community. Whenver there is a breakdown in the community, crime will rise.