A dying city? (Cleveland, Euclid, Cleveland Heights: condo, theater, incomes)

[Chef Boyardee]

We've eliminated many things that encouraged morality. For example, handouts encourage sloth. Entitlements encourage vanity. Criminal "rehabilitation" encourages crime

[hubz1124]

"The Medical Field"
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Originally Posted by OhioPilot
Unless you are in medical, there is little reason to be in Cleveland. Even Pittsburgh managed to refocus on banking, technology, and other industries that attract middle management types who build up inner ring suburbs and new metro neighborhoods. Cleveland still thinks it makes steel, and hopes manufacturing will return because it is the best industry to take advantage of a poorly educated work force. But manufacturing is no longer coming here.
What makes you think "medical" is recession proof? I laugh when people call it "the medical field."

Medicine is very specialized, and there is a glut of workers in many of those areas. Many jobs are being sent overseas, such as transcription and medical records. Oh yes, overseas. Patient confidentiality? Money talks first...

Oh, the nursing shortage, eh? Did you know hospitals understaff to keep costs down? Hmmm...so when you are in, and you have to ring 3 times to get your pain meds, remember that one.

You think Cleveland is going to survive just having "medical jobs"? That is a joke. Right now, most hospitals are struggling. At one end, they are paying top level managers big bucks, but at the bottom, trying to figure out how they can have Nancy the unit secretary clean her own area so they don't have to pay a housekeeper.

Patient volumes are down nationally, because people are losing their insurance, or not willing to pay huge copays to go to the ER. Hospitals and outpatient facilities are laying off or restructuring. When people don't have jobs, or don't have GOOD jobs, hospitals are going to feel it. So to all the people who think medicine doesn't feel the recession, it does.

Manufacturing is the ONLY sector that creates jobs in every other area.
With manufacturing, you have everyone from the janitor to the designer, to the engineer, to the quality assurance people, to the upper managers. Other businesses get work, computers, uniforms, food, medical, etc., etc., when manufacturing is present.

So...to try to create an economy based on a service industry, like "the medical field", is not going to work. It is like trying to create an economy based on "the restaurant field."

Instead of looking for bandaids, this country should be trying to get manufacturing back here.

It is like trying to focus on a ship with no swimming pool, when the ship is lost at sea.


....this is so ass-backwards i dont even know where to begin.... america as whole is turning into a service orientated economy. bottom line is, we cannot compete w/ low cost production from s. america, asia and other parts. however, this is not necessarily a bad a thing, as our economy evolves manufacturing is fading out and service and IT are in. and btw, the medical industry, although not entirely recession proof, is MUCH better suited to handle down economies then say manufacturing jobs.

[Boffo]

While the medical field is not totally recession proof, it does handle downturns in the economy better than most industries. In fact, the Cleveland medical institutions are still doing quite well. The Cleveland Clinic is even planning this national reference lab that is supposed to create at least 2,000 jobs.
Cleveland Clinic plans national reference lab - Medical - cleveland.com - Cleveland.com

[Chef Boyardee]

The Medical Industry will be getting a big fat overhaul.

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[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Boffo

While the medical field is not totally recession proof, it does handle downturns in the economy better than most industries. In fact, the Cleveland medical institutions are still doing quite well. The Cleveland Clinic is even planning this national reference lab that is supposed to create at least 2,000 jobs.
Cleveland Clinic plans national reference lab - Medical - cleveland.com - Cleveland.com

Not everyone will become a doctor or work in the medical industry. There needs to be a solution for the whole rather than for a few specialized people.

[jam40jeff]

Just because Cleveland has and is improving upon a strong medical industry doesn't mean it is the only industry the city is focused on. Check out Tyler Village for an example of a place bringing a diverse array of jobs into the city.

[airics]

Originally Posted by Boffo

The Cleveland Clinic is even planning this national reference lab that is supposed to create at least 2,000 jobs.

i believe it is 2000 jobs over 10 years. that is not alot at all!

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by airics

i believe it is 2000 jobs over 10 years. that is not alot at all!

2,000 jobs isn't that much. I think Cleveland is going to need more like 200,000 jobs.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

We've eliminated many things that encouraged morality. For example, handouts encourage sloth. Entitlements encourage vanity. Criminal "rehabilitation" encourages crime

Lets say a person does committ a crime and goes to prison. Wouldn't it be better to prepare the person to live in society again so that person can be a productive member and not committ crimes again? It certainly would. Suppose you lock a person up for 5 years and that person isn't prepared to be in society(no skills, no work). If that person can't survive in society, that person is very likely to committ a crime again and land in prison again.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

Lets say a person does committ a crime and goes to prison. Wouldn't it be better to prepare the person to live in society again so that person can be a productive member and not committ crimes again? It certainly would. Suppose you lock a person up for 5 years and that person isn't prepared to be in society(no skills, no work). If that person can't survive in society, that person is very likely to committ a crime again and land in prison again.

I think prisons are useless. Remember, the exception doesn't prove the rule.

Take murder, for example. We should execute murderers and we should do it quickly.

For most other crimes, we should employ punishments like flogging, stocks, things like that.

On the whole, prisons seem cruel, incompetent, backward and useless.

A wise man will learn from prison, but a fool won't. Most criminals are fools.

A fool will learn from a lash. Those that don't, will earn an execution. Unfortunately, we won't pay up. So, he'll do it again and again...