cleveland or chicago (Cincinnati, Lakewood, Reading: home, unemployed, neighborhood)

[The Cactus Leaguer]

Originally Posted by airics

where are they coming up with 2.1 million in cleveland.. i thought it was 450,000

MSA's = metropolitan statistical areas

Annual Estimates of the Population of Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas

[airics]

interesting but strange that they include cuyahoga, lake, and lorain counties

[The Cactus Leaguer]

Originally Posted by airics

interesting but strange that they include cuyahoga, lake, and lorain counties

Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) definition

An MSA is a geographic cluster of population defined by the United States Census Bureau. An MSA includes a city of at least 50,000 people or urbanized area of at least 100,000 people and the counties that include these areas.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by airics

interesting but strange that they include cuyahoga, lake, and lorain counties

Im guessing you dont know anything about metro areas...

And actually I think the Cleveland metro is near 2.3 million, but I heard they stopped counting a whole county which is weird. Cleveland/Akron is 2.9 million, add Canton to that and its over 3.4 million. The immediate Cleveland metro is losing population but overall NE Ohio is staying relatively the same, not growing much and not losing any population.

[airics]

ne ohio is staying the same due to geauga and lake counties.. cuyahoga lost more people than anywhere else

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by airics

ne ohio is staying the same due to geauga and lake counties.. cuyahoga lost more people than anywhere else

Overall, I think Ohio is a good example of urban sprawl. The overall population isn't growing or declining, just spreading out... and out...

[airics]

yes, i agree it is spreading out...

if i had a choice i would sell in mayfield and go into geauga county but then i would have more grass to cut!

[TheProf]

Originally Posted by dollycool

Stick withChicago baby. ALL the way! there is no-one on the streets of downtown cleveland at night its a frickin ghost town, Chicago always is energetic and full of people on streets at night,, i have been and spent time in both but over 35 yrs in cleveland.. people are nicer in Chicago definitely and you will NEED a car in Cleveland, trust me! I have been without a car many times and unless you like bratty loud kids spewing profanity and talkin about their friends getting arested and how many guns they have, DONT get on a Cleveland bus! Rode the bus into downtown for college and work everyday and i kid you not, heard these topics of conversation daily! it was laughable already.Chicago is much more expensive because you get what you pay for!

No there's a negative, biased and stereotypical post if I ever saw one. Dolly, I have been downtown often in recent weeks and what you're saying isn't true. The streets had more than a pulse and in certain locations, like the Warehouse District and the E. 4th Gateway area, there were lots of people. And I'm talking on a Wednesday eve last week when the Indians were not in town. And as for your comments that people are "nicer" in Chicago, well, that comment sorta speaks for itself.

I'd be crazy to say dowtown is anywhere close to Chicago... I mean, Chicago is a (near) 3-million population city as opposed to our 475,000; does make a difference. But to say all streets are dead in downtown Cleveland: nope, that simply is not true at all.

[BelieveInCleve]

Cleveland City has about 440k. Chicago City has about 2.8 million. The Cleveland Metro is about 2.1 million. The Chicago Metro is about 9.5 million. The Cleveland CSA is about 2.9 million. The Chicago CSA is about 9.7 million.

So you can see the difference in size. Obviously Chicago is going to have more to offer just based on how big it is being the 3rd largest city and area in the country. Chicago is roughly 3.5 times larger than Cleveland. Cleveland is still one of the largest cities and areas in the country but not on the scale that Chicago is. Both cities have a lot of things to offer and Im sure most people would be happy in either of them if you find the right place.

[dollycool]

NO THE PROF: not negative, factual and realistic.. it up with your own paper the Plain Dealer and (now defunct) Free Times who, every time we picked it up, was full of weekly columns of how Cleveland was a 'dying city' oh prof.. I DIDNT SAY IT WAS THE FASTEST DYING CITY IN THE NATION, DUH! Take it up with the national pollsters that said it.. how long have YOU livedin cleveland? what planet are you on that you do not see or hear what your own cuyahoga county tim hagen said yesterday about your town? Good, you stay in Cleveland, honey, we prefer a HAPPY FRIENDLY town like Austin where people dont need prozac (lol) to get thru the dark days and constant depressing negativity about YOUR town that comes from your OWN papers!!! read the free times any given week, or Scene... it is downing its own town! turn on WTAM 1100 am and every day its talking of how cleveland sucks.. how great it was to go to Montana and Wyoming and ah! breathe some nice clean air and hear someone other than a loud mouth profane person on the radio!!! I'll remember that, Prof, every time I wake choking from the asthma I got from cleveland's factually filthy air (not that chicago's any better)
Save your arguments for the Plain Dealer and WTAM 1100 am's constant sad putdowns to its own town! I have lived and been in over 40 cities.

When were YOU downtown, mr stranger? I was there July 2008 and the smell almost knocked me out ha ha ha oh and the cab driver drove me through a totally empty euclid ave and superior and west 9th st. area.. on a saturday night in July.

Now there's a totally unrealistic stereotype if we ever heard one.

Originally Posted by TheProf

No there's a negative, biased and stereotypical post if I ever saw one. Dolly, I have been downtown often in recent weeks and what you're saying isn't true. The streets had more than a pulse and in certain locations, like the Warehouse District and the E. 4th Gateway area, there were lots of people. And I'm talking on a Wednesday eve last week when the Indians were not in town. And as for your comments that people are "nicer" in Chicago, well, that comment sorta speaks for itself.

I'd be crazy to say dowtown is anywhere close to Chicago... I mean, Chicago is a (near) 3-million population city as opposed to our 475,000; does make a difference. But to say all streets are dead in downtown Cleveland: nope, that simply is not true at all.