moving to cleveland in january (Columbus, Cincinnati: new home, technology jobs, neighborhood)

[Subway]

Originally Posted by MABCle

Only 65 days of sun per year? Where is the link to your source? Cleveland's weather is ok usually until early to mid December then the snow and cold starts(though not this year). It is NOT grey all winter. We get plenty of sunny days thorught out the period of December, January, and February with March and April beign the rainiest.

Actually, that figure of 65 sunny days per year is quite accurate - the precise figure is 66. However, that doesn't mean that the remaining 299 days are cloudy - Cleveland averages 97 partly cloudy days and 202 cloudy days per year. So, for the entire year, 18% of days are sunny, 27% are partly cloudy and 55% are cloudy. The only major U.S. cities that average more cloudy days per year than Cleveland are Seattle, Portland, Buffalo and Pittsburgh. As for the meteorological winter months (Dec., Jan., Feb.) combined, Cleveland averages a mere 9 sunny days but 68 cloudy days (thus, 3 out of every 4 days are cloudy). Here are two links:

http://www.weathertoday.net/weatherf...loudy_desc.php

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/.../ccd/cldy.html.

[MABCle]

^So when do partly cloudy days equate to completely cloudy or gray days. I see you and others exaggerated a bit. Were not Arizona up here, but its not dark hear year round either. The gray skies are a result of being near a Great Lake. But I do appreciate you providing the link. And thanks HAS for your comments. I bet alot of people here don't know about half the projects that will be coming online by 2008. Those projects will be truly transformational.

[Subway]

Originally Posted by MABCle

^So when do partly cloudy days equate to completely cloudy or gray days. I see you and others exaggerated a bit. Were not Arizona up here, but its not dark hear year round either. The gray skies are a result of being near a Great Lake.

MABCle,

Where did I exaggerate? I'm the one who pointed out that it doesn't mean there are 299 cloudy days per year just because there are only 66 sunny days per year. If you were referring to the stats I gave for meteorological winter (Dec., Jan. Feb.), I did not count the partly cloudy days as cloudy days when I stated that 3 out of 4 days in those months are cloudy. As I stated, for those months combined, there are 9 sunny days and 68 cloudy days; obviously, the remaining days are partly cloudy. There are 90 days in those 3 months...68/90 = 75.56%...thus, 3 out of 4 days (75%) are cloudy. If you take the stats for those months down to the lowest common denominator, for every 20 days, there are 2 sunny days, 3 partly cloudy days and 15 cloudy days. Any honest analysis would conclude that you are the one who exaggerated when you stated, "We get plenty of sunny days throughout the period of December, January, and February."

Yes, the gray skies are the result of being near a Great Lake, but so what? It doesn't mean that people who complain about Cleveland's excessive cloudiness (which is a climate characteristic that I personally don't care about) are wrong. Cleveland is the 5th cloudiest major city in the country; it's even cloudier than all of the other major Great Lakes cities except Buffalo. For example, whereas Cleveland averages 202 cloudy days per year, Chicago averages 176 and Milwaukee averages 175. As for the meteorological winter months, whereas Cleveland averages 68 cloudy days, Chicago averages 53 and Milwaukee averages 52. The bottom line is that people who say that Cleveland is excessively cloudy have a valid point.

And, BTW, you mentioned that March and April are rainy in Cleveland, which is true, but you neglected to mention that March is also quite snowy. Cleveland averages 11" of snow in March, which is as much as Chicago averages in January (the snowiest month).

[paintballer1708]

Well thank you, MABCle. I truly think people just look at Cleveland as the city it was 30-40 years ago. It is not that city anymore. People need to realize it is changing and is doing so quite quickly. Its getting a very diverse job market with an unemployment rate to match. Come on Cleveland's unemployment rate = 4.5% compared to Detroits's at 14%.

I also dont think people realize what kind of affect Cleveland has on this nation. Cleveland is known today for its medical field, banking, insurance and rapidly growing tech sector. The Cleveland Clinic being one of the best hospitals INTERNATIONALY. Cleveland also is a huge banking city. It helps with National City and Key Corp. Cleveland is one of the top 5 cities in the nation with the biggest banking assests. Cleveland has almost
$300 billion in banking assests. That is more than Chicago, Miami, Houston or Los Angeles. The only two that i can think of that have more are New York and Charlotte. I just wish people could see Cleveland today. It is a changing, modern, diverse city. You really described your point well MABCle.


BTW, to keep conflicts from going here, Subway knows his/her information. He/She really has good information from really good sights. Cleveland does get quite a few sunny days during the winter though. It has been quite warm up that way too. In the mid 50s.

[Subway]

Originally Posted by paintballer1708

BTW, to keep conflicts from going here, Subway knows his/her information. He/She really has good information from really good sights. Cleveland does get quite a few sunny days during the winter though. It has been quite warm up that way too. In the mid 50s.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Paintballer. I didn't want to get into any kind of conflict, but I didn't appreciate being told that I was exaggerating when I was doing nothing but stating verifiable facts. The long-run stats prove that cloudy days outnumber sunny and partly cloudy days combined by a 3:1 ratio in Cleveland in the winter. I guess it all depends on one's perspective, but I'm confident that the majority of people would consider that amount of cloudiness to be excessive (I'm personally in the minority as I prefer cloudy days). I already gave comparative stats for Chicago and Milwaukee to show that Cleveland is excessively cloudy even for the Great Lakes area. When you compare the major cities in the Northeast to Cleveland, the differences are even more striking. For example, compared to Cleveland's average of 202 cloudy days per year and 68 cloudy days per winter, New York City (Central Park) averages only 132 cloudy days per year (70 less than Cleveland) and 38 cloudy days per winter (30 less than Cleveland). Even Boston, for which the majority of people consider the climate to be dreary, has significantly less cloudy days than Cleveland: Boston averages 164 cloudy days per year (38 less than Cleveland) and 43 cloudy days per winter (25 less than Cleveland).

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/.../ccd/cldy.html

[MABCle]

I don't want a conflict either and I admit I posted a little heated after reading all those negative and in some cases untrue comments about the area (not you in particular subway) and apologize if I came off rude. i would like to note that Cleveland and Buffalo are cloudier because they are on the Lee side of the Lake unlike Detroit, Chicago or Milwaukee. Thus they get more of the Lake Effect. In my opinion the weather here is ok except for when we occasionally get storms with heavy snow. The summers are hot and humid and Springs and autumns are pleasant. I guess what angered me was the plethora of miss informed people giving less than accurate info. I'll be sure to watch myself in the future and plan on giving accurate unbiased info in the future and hope everyone else does the same.

[Subway]

No problem, MABCle. I can certainly relate to how easy it is to get angry when people try to pass off inaccurate info as fact.

I am aware that the reason Cleveland and Buffalo are cloudier (as well as snowier) is that they are on the lee side of the lake. However, I would maintain that the reason is irrelevant to those who do not like a lot of cloudiness. It is what it is, and if excessive cloudiness depresses you, you probably won't like living in Cleveland. As I've said, I personally prefer cloudy days. However, I do not like snow. Cleveland's excessive snowfall was one of the primary reasons that I decided to relocate from there to the Cincy area. I agree that Spring and Autumn in Cleveland are generally pleasant, although I would qualify that statement by saying that for Spring it depends on how close to the lake you are, as it is often quite chilly within a few miles of the shore that time of year. I remember thoroughly freezing my butt off numerous times going to Indians games in April and sometimes even in early-May! I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe that the Indians have had more home games postponed by snow than any other team in MLB. It's soooo much more pleasant going to Reds games in Spring!

[Jonathan28]

what happened to the original poster. It would bew nice to know where they ended up.

[paintballer1708]

Subway, i really am looking forward to heading to some Reds games. Have you been to Great American Ball Park yet? It is a great ball park. Cincinnati did good on the stadiums. I am really looking forward to the Banks Project getting underway. There will be some nice entertainment along the rivefront.

[Subway]

Paintballer:
Yes, I have been to Great American Ballpark numerous times. I like it a lot. It's unique with the scenic view of the river as well as the skyline and hills of Northern Kentucky. I also like that you can go there without spending much money. Except for the few sellout games, you can buy the Outer View Level seats overlooking left field or right field for $5 and then sit in the $13 View Level seats overlooking the infield without ever getting asked to show your ticket. Even in the rare cases when you have to end up sitting in the $5 seats, they're not that bad (they're inside the foul poles, unlike the $7 seats at Jacobs Field that are way out in right field). I would recommend right field over left field at GAB because you can't see the main scoreboard from left field. And, if you don't want to take the chance of having to sit in the outfield, the $13 seats are a bargain compared to most ballparks (comparable seats are $18 at The Jake and $20 at Comerica Park in Detroit). In addition, if you don't mind a walk of about a half-mile, the parking garage at the corner of 6th & Sycamore only charges $2 for Reds games (note: it's not open to the public for weekday afternoon games because it is reserved for P&G employees). If you have any questions about GAB, I'd be glad to answer them. BTW, have you been to PNC Park in your hometown? I'd like to go to a game there, as it is the only ballpark within 350 miles of Cincy that I haven't been to. I know that ESPN rated it as the best ballpark in MLB a few years ago.

Jonathan:
I was wondering the same thing. I hope 'nikkiyc' stops by and gives us an update sometime.