Which of these bad-off areas have the best chance for a turnaround? (Cleveland: apartment, crime)

[Cleverfield]

Out of these 5 areas, which I consider to be the hardest hit in Cleveland, which do you think stands the best chance to see some positive development, and why?

Kinsman
Buckeye
Slavic Village
East Cleveland
Glenville

[1watertiger]

I think I might be dead before I ever see them completely turn around.. But I never thought I would see tremont or 25th & Lorain come back either

[Clevelander216]

I vote slavic village

[SquareBetterThanAll]

2nd Slavic Village. It seems to have some motion going already and isn't a complete dump. Third Federal is a nice springboard right in the middle of the neighborhood. They need to kick it up a notch though. I think it is still able to trade on the generic Slavic heritage of the neighborhood and there is just enough of it left to make some sort of identity around it, which they have been doing.

Kinsman, Buckeye, East Cleveland... no. Just bad all around. With the exception of maybe the edge of EC nearest University Circle, but otherwise I don't see any major change in what's going on there.

Glenville I've only been through a couple of times but it also seems to be shot as well. I just don't see an attractant here.

There isn't a massive influx of outsiders to Northeast Ohio, so demand has to be generated locally. There is an overabundance of rotten neighborhoods, so there needs to be some sort of foundation to work with, which is what we've seen in places like Ohio City and Gordon Square.

I see no foundation in any of those except Slavic Village.

[bjimmy24]

Definitely Slavic Village. I'm seriously considering buying a home there now.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by SquareBetterThanAll

2nd Slavic Village. It seems to have some motion going already and isn't a complete dump. Third Federal is a nice springboard right in the middle of the neighborhood. They need to kick it up a notch though. I think it is still able to trade on the generic Slavic heritage of the neighborhood and there is just enough of it left to make some sort of identity around it, which they have been doing.

Kinsman, Buckeye, East Cleveland... no. Just bad all around. With the exception of maybe the edge of EC nearest University Circle, but otherwise I don't see any major change in what's going on there.

Glenville I've only been through a couple of times but it also seems to be shot as well. I just don't see an attractant here.

There isn't a massive influx of outsiders to Northeast Ohio, so demand has to be generated locally. There is an overabundance of rotten neighborhoods, so there needs to be some sort of foundation to work with, which is what we've seen in places like Ohio City and Gordon Square.

I see no foundation in any of those except Slavic Village.

This Glenville?
Cleveland: The Houses of Glenville

[Cleverfield]

Originally Posted by JR_C

This Glenville?
Cleveland: The Houses of Glenville

Unfortunately, those houses are pretty much only on East Blvd, abutting the cultural gardens, and paralleling MLK. Once you go in from there, it almost immediately turns ghetto. I love the area around the cultural gardens, and think it has great potential, and they've done some work rehabbing a few homes, and a beautiful old high rise apartment near Wade Park, but you couldn't pay me to live in most of Glenville. I wish that Case and the other institutions would do more to improve this neighborhood. Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD) has done a lot for the run-down, but architecturally interesting areas of Savannah. My wish is that something similar could by done here with CWRU, and the Cleveland Institute of Art.

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

Unfortunately, those houses are pretty much only on East Blvd, abutting the cultural gardens, and paralleling MLK. Once you go in from there, it almost immediately turns ghetto. I love the area around the cultural gardens, and think it has great potential, and they've done some work rehabbing a few homes, and a beautiful old high rise apartment near Wade Park, but you couldn't pay me to live in most of Glenville. I wish that Case and the other institutions would do more to improve this neighborhood. Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD) has done a lot for the run-down, but architecturally interesting areas of Savannah. My wish is that something similar could by done here with CWRU, and the Cleveland Institute of Art.

Does the type of housing change? Is the rest of Glenville made up of those typical up-down duplexes, generic "Foursquare-esque" frame houses, and frame bungalows that are so common throughout much of Cleveland? Sometimes, architectural character, alone, can be a catalyst for revitalization.

[Cleverfield]

Originally Posted by JR_C

Does the type of housing change? Is the rest of Glenville made up of those typical up-down duplexes, generic "Foursquare-esque" frame houses, and frame bungalows that are so common throughout much of Cleveland? Sometimes, architectural character, alone, can be a catalyst for revitalization.

The architecture is definitely of a lower caliber once you go in from East Blvd., but it is nicer than many parts of Cleveland. It was at one time a wealthier area. It has more one families than 2, most are 3-4 bedroom colonials, and many of them were quite nice at one time (same with East Cleveland). Problem is that much of it has been neglected, abandoned, or demolished.

[ECBeastor]

Glenville has the best housing stock and borders University Circle. It also has a source of community pride with it's football team, which, even if only slightly, it attracts middle class African Americans to send their sons to school there. I just don't see it turning around anytime soon though. Still way too much poverty and crime that will take decades to cycle out. Also, the block after block of duplexes on several of the E-W streets doesn't help.

Having said that, I'd think Slavic VIllage still has the best link to it's past still remaining in the neighborhood and has a pulse. It really took a hard body blow during the mortgage crisis though and the housing stock isn't that great to begin with. Still, there are old holdouts still remaining and a few businesses and dining that attract outsiders which isn't really the case in Glenville.