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Old 02-20-2015, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Aren't they just the worst?!
Well, as a single atheist with no kids, yes lol.
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Old 02-20-2015, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Greater Orlampa CSA
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I wouldn't play the crime angle as an argument for Cleveland. Cleveland needs to clean up its streets, pronto.
Have you been in Cleveland recently? I'm not talking East 93rd. Talking downtown/places people go. Cleveland has many places within it's city limits (including downtown, and moreso Ohio City and UC now that feel very safe compared to many cities, at least IMO.

I'm not saying I disagree that Cleveland should hope to improve. I'm just saying the fact that the center city of Trenton is that bad is cause for concern, at least IMO.

OP. Not quite sure what to tell you then. Check out Willoughby, Chagrin Falls and Lakewood I suppose. I think you'll have to see for yourself though , and mind the commute too . It's gonna be way to tough for me to decide what the "goldilocks/right balance" factor is gonna be for you, because, none of us is you.

I do feel though that those three cities though, in addition to Peninsula on the South Side in the heart of CVNP, are gonna offer the most hiking opportunities by far. Also check out Concord/Kirtland near Holden Arboretum/Girdled Road Reservation that are renowned/beautiful hiking spots.

Virginia Kendall Ledges (CVNP) and Rocky River Reservation and Hell's Hollow and Chapin Forest are all very impressive too. Within the city, Lakeview Cemetery is way underrated and a national treasure. May be the prettiest cemetery of the garden variety out there

Also note that while the East Side within the city is a little rough in patches, none of those places I mentioned outside the city are remotely so. In fact they are probably all among the safest cities in the country for their population size , also among the more educated .

Check out Squires Castle at North Chagrin Reservation as well, another beautiful
Place. The Cleveland area's metroparks system is frequently ranked among the top 5 in North America .

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Old 02-20-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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I have another dumb question.

As you know, the home values/prices in the Cleveland area are very affordable. However, the population has been decreasing, although stabilizing. But at the same time, the city is "booming" and all that. So, what then, is the trend in property values? Are they stagnant, declining or rising? In other words, is Cleveland property a good investment these days? Over the long term/future?
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Greater Orlampa CSA
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There are no dumb questions. I have limited real estate experience though, so my advice may not be the most reliable. "Cleveland", in general, as a place for real estate investment, is so, so, so big, that it is really hard to tell you any general conclusions about the region. I would say that there are certain places like Bedford, Euclid, Parma Hts., etc., where real estate prices have fallen significantly, I believe. There's a second group of places, that are still very intact suburbs, Shaker Heights, Beachwood, Willoughby, Westlake etc., where I'm assuming it has remained just about constant, though prices fell everywhere after 2008. Then there's a third group of places, which have been growing along with the rise of the "urban living" movement. Parts of Lakewood, Gordon Square, Ohio City, Tremont, Downtown, and Little Italy have all seen a sharp rise in income levels/home value.

As far as whether it's a good investment in the long term future? Who knows. I think there's potential to be optimistic, to be sure. But I don't think anyone in Seattle thought it would have the tech boom it did, or people in South Boston in the 1960's had any reason to believe that Hahvahd/MIT, etc. would cause a real estate boom there, that caused their houses to become hot property. If you want proof it's difficult to project, just look at Williston, North Dakota, where even after many places in the Orlando and Tampa areas have started to return back to pre-recession levels, the home values there are still less than a third of many in ND.

I tend to think Cleveland is trending upwards. Is it possible all sectors will continue to grow and Cleveland will lure a Fortune 500 company with business friendly/forward thinking policies that seem to be taking shape, plus an attractive waterfront location? Quite possibly.

But, is it possible too that Key Bank and Sherwin Williams could be bought out by competitors, and that Cleveland Clinic could be completely mismanaged and lose it's global edge? Also yes.

The odds are it won't be quite as good as the first or quite as bad as the scenario, but you never really can tell.
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:48 AM
 
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There are no dumb questions. I have limited real estate experience though, so my advice may not be the most reliable. "Cleveland", in general, as a place for real estate investment, is so, so, so big, that it is really hard to tell you any general conclusions about the region. I would say that there are certain places like Bedford, Euclid, Parma Hts., etc., where real estate prices have fallen significantly, I believe. There's a second group of places, that are still very intact suburbs, Shaker Heights, Beachwood, Willoughby, Westlake etc., where I'm assuming it has remained just about constant, though prices fell everywhere after 2008. Then there's a third group of places, which have been growing along with the rise of the "urban living" movement. Parts of Lakewood, Gordon Square, Ohio City, Tremont, Downtown, and Little Italy have all seen a sharp rise in income levels/home value.

As far as whether it's a good investment in the long term future? Who knows. I think there's potential to be optimistic, to be sure. But I don't think anyone in Seattle thought it would have the tech boom it did, or people in South Boston in the 1960's had any reason to believe that Hahvahd/MIT, etc. would cause a real estate boom there, that caused their houses to become hot property. If you want proof it's difficult to project, just look at Williston, North Dakota, where even after many places in the Orlando and Tampa areas have started to return back to pre-recession levels, the home values there are still less than a third of many in ND.

I tend to think Cleveland is trending upwards. Is it possible all sectors will continue to grow and Cleveland will lure a Fortune 500 company with business friendly/forward thinking policies that seem to be taking shape, plus an attractive waterfront location? Quite possibly.

But, is it possible too that Key Bank and Sherwin Williams could be bought out by competitors, and that Cleveland Clinic could be completely mismanaged and lose it's global edge? Also yes.

The odds are it won't be quite as good as the first or quite as bad as the scenario, but you never really can tell.
Yeah I guess it doesn't matter wherever you are, as far as housing goes. No one has a crystal ball, ever. But at least I would think it's safe to say that the property values can't get much lower than they are now!
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Old 02-20-2015, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I have narrowed my list of choices of places to relocate to, down to the following four metro areas:

Cleveland
Tulsa
Trenton
Greeley
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Old 02-20-2015, 11:00 PM
 
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I just moved to Columbus and I have lived in Cleveland. Columbus isn't any warmer than Cleveland. The problem with Columbus is they can't handle precipitation. I am not sure why because it is still a midwestern city. They put on their hazard lights in the rain. There is also a ton of cheap construction in Columbus and the apartments are also cheap and expensive. Cleveland has much nicer apartments and homes for what you get. Columbus does have alot more young people and they don't take care of anything. They buy a house, ruin it, and then try to offload it. Cleveland has so many more amenities but you have to look for it and the lake is beautiful!!
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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Check out Squires Castle at North Chagrin Reservation as well, another beautiful
Place. The Cleveland area's metroparks system is frequently ranked among the top 5 in North America .
Except for young kids on the loose, I've never understood the attraction of Squire's Castle.

Stan Hywet Hall in Akron likely is the closest thing to a public castle in the Western Reserve.
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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I have narrowed my list of choices of places to relocate to, down to the following four metro areas:

Cleveland
Tulsa
Trenton
Greeley
Cleveland dwarfs the other three in cultural amenities, unless you include Princeton and Greater Philadelphia attractions as part of Trenton.

Hope you enjoy extreme heat and tornadoes if you choose Tulsa.
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:44 PM
 
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Cleveland dwarfs the other three in cultural amenities, unless you include Princeton and Greater Philadelphia attractions as part of Trenton.

Hope you enjoy extreme heat and tornadoes if you choose Tulsa.
Yeah but Tulsa just seems to have beautiful scenery and a laid back atmosphere. I think the climate would be more desirable than Cleveland, but not sure.

Maybe I should start a thread on Cleveland vs. Tulsa in the city-vs.-city thread and see what everyone says.

I mean, I've never ben to Cleveland metro before, but I'm just worried if it's too big and bustling for me, kind of like Long Island, anywhere in the BosWash corridor or Chicago or something. And worried that the scenery isn't as pretty as Tulsa, which is on the foothills of the beautiful Ozarks.
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