2008 Cleveland Homicides (Cincinnati, Toledo, East Cleveland: rated, metro, cities)

[BelieveInCleve]

I dont know, but the story they are saying doesnt add up at all. Seems like they are either just plain dumb, or are not telling the whole story.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by Cle440

I dont know, but the story they are saying doesnt add up at all. Seems like they are either just plain dumb, or are not telling the whole story.

Well there is one lady who does the autopsy and she is quite respected. She only provided information that he died from drowning - not from anything else. It doesn't mean there isn't more to the story, but you can't blame her. The officers may not have much information about what happened. The photo on the cell phone could have been someone else or a mistake. We don't know.

[TheCLE]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

Well there is one lady who does the autopsy and she is quite respected. She only provided information that he died from drowning - not from anything else. It doesn't mean there isn't more to the story, but you can't blame her. The officers may not have much information about what happened. The photo on the cell phone could have been someone else or a mistake. We don't know.

Maybe he did drown. But why rule it an accidental drowing? Especially considering there were shots fired outside the club and a picture of him tied up? It doesn't add up. Even if he was still alive and drowned, I doubt that he decided to jump into the lake in February. Also, the toxicology test will probably come up that alcohol was in his system. He was at a concert at a club, so yeah, I'd say he was probably drinking. All that was reported doesn't add up to "accidental drowning". Was it an outside group, or was he set up, I don't know. But I think somebody killed him (either by tossing him into the lake and he drowned, or killing him before hand and dumping the body).

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by TheCLE

Maybe he did drown. But why rule it an accidental drowing? Especially considering there were shots fired outside the club and a picture of him tied up? It doesn't add up. Even if he was still alive and drowned, I doubt that he decided to jump into the lake in February. Also, the toxicology test will probably come up that alcohol was in his system. He was at a concert at a club, so yeah, I'd say he was probably drinking. All that was reported doesn't add up to "accidental drowning". Was it an outside group, or was he set up, I don't know. But I think somebody killed him (either by tossing him into the lake and he drowned, or killing him before hand and dumping the body).

Well you are implying that the picture was authentic and/or actually real. You are also jumping to the conclusion that he was some how involved in the shooting. That is why you aren't a detective Let them sort out the facts. Don't believe everything you hear also.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by TheCLE

Maybe he did drown. But why rule it an accidental drowing? Especially considering there were shots fired outside the club and a picture of him tied up? It doesn't add up. Even if he was still alive and drowned, I doubt that he decided to jump into the lake in February. Also, the toxicology test will probably come up that alcohol was in his system. He was at a concert at a club, so yeah, I'd say he was probably drinking. All that was reported doesn't add up to "accidental drowning". Was it an outside group, or was he set up, I don't know. But I think somebody killed him (either by tossing him into the lake and he drowned, or killing him before hand and dumping the body).

I agree with this 100%. But, again, I still dont know the whole story and it seems like they still dont know much about it. I dont believe that someone would jump into the river or lake in February, thats like 40 degree water. Also since he got in a fight and he was missing after that, Im pretty sure that someone played a part in his death, I believe it was a homicide.

I havent been keeping up with this too well. There was an old lady found dead in a burning house on the westside. Witnesses say they say 2 hooded men running from the house with bags of stuff. I think we can call that a homicide. They killed the woman stole all her valuables, and then set the house on fire to get rid of the evidence, open and shut case. but RIP to her. I think thats 24 homicides for the city.

[TheCLE]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

Well you are implying that the picture was authentic and/or actually real. You are also jumping to the conclusion that he was some how involved in the shooting. That is why you aren't a detective Let them sort out the facts. Don't believe everything you hear also.

You must be one of the detectives that investigated the case. With the you must know something nobody else does.

And no, I'm not a detective, but if I was, I would listen to what is being said. Isn't that how you develop leads? And mostly, I would put two-and-two together and say "February" and "Cleveland" and say that he didn't voluntarily jump into Lake Erie. I would also question that even if he did accidentally fall into the water, it was probably in the flats (where he was last seen). So then, how did the body end up in Edgewater? Also, why did it take 6 weeks for that body to be found? That along with a tied-up picture, a shooting outside the club, and a disputed fight inside the club, says that there is a good chance that this wasn't accidental.

Maybe I should apply to be a detective for the CPD, becuase the evidence that has been made public raises a lot of red flags. Maybe after my investigation I would rule it to be accidental, but the coroner ruled it accidental the same day the body was found. With what was already known, maybe a detective would've questioned that ruling. Maybe there are, Thomas Stacho said the case is still open. I know the coroner is just judging cause of death off the physical evidence on the body. Hopefully, somebody in the CPD questions that ruling and the investigation continues.

[BelieveInCleve]

That old lady that was found dead in a burning house on the westside was ruled a homicide like I thought it was. There was two hooded men with a bag seen running from the house before the fire.

I think that brings the count to 24.

[scientific_method]

Four men shot, one dies this morning in Cleveland - Cleveland Metro News – The Latest Breaking News, Photos and Stories from The Plain Dealer

[BelieveInCleve]

Wow, now its at least up to 25 murders. There was also another shootout this morning near a carwash on E76th street and Superior (No surprise). I dont think anybody died from that shootout though.

I think we can officially say the homicide count in Cleveland is at least up to 25, and probably more.

[BelieveInCleve]

There was some more shootings and another man killed on the Eastside of Cleveland this morning, they said that brings the count up to 24 so far. I thought it was more like 26 or 27 but I guess not.

Also East Cleveland had its first homicide today. Coincidentally today there was a man and a woman found dead in East Cleveland, if they are ruled homicides East Cleveland has already had 3 murders.