2008 Cleveland Homicides (salaries, tax, gangs)

[Rockmysawks]

Originally Posted by 4gotmypassword

What really do you get out of it? I can understand a thread for the end of the year....But updating it with every homicide that happens in the city? Come on now.

a running tally to keep track, so that we can compare what was reported during the year to what is actually reported at the end of the year

[PeterRabbit]

On another site we're tracking over 50 cities plus metro areas for murders. Some people report every time there's a murder in their city and for some that's almost everyday. We use the per 100,000 trend to keep things in perspective. New York has 200 murders this year but proves to be safe in comparison when using per 100,000. We keep a running list/chart. I'll post it so you can compare your city(s) to others.

[PeterRabbit]

[scoob]

Hey what website did u get that chart from? i'm from Youngstown Ohio

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by 4gotmypassword

Yall aint doing nothing about it....Yall don't live where the muders are happening...So it don't effect you, Go work for news channel if you want to report things

Thats a pretty ignorant thing to say. First of all how do you know where we all live? I have many friends in bad areas of Cleveland, as a matter of fact I have a friend I knew growing up that lives over by E85th street near Superior, where there is murders very often so yes it does effect me and my friends. I also grew up in South Elyria and Central Lorain, both had murders at least a few times a year.

We are not all suburban minded people that grew up in rich areas on here. And still, whatever happens in the central city very well effects the whole surrounding area at least to some degree.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by 4gotmypassword

Yall aint doing nothing about it....Yall don't live where the muders are happening...So it don't effect you, Go work for news channel if you want to report things

Yes it does effect all of us on here, I cannot say how much it effects everyone else but it deeply effects me.

To further my point, just today there was a murder on the Southside of Elyria in Gas USA (The Southside is the worst neighborhood by far, and there have been about 4 murders in that exact place since 2001). Gas USA just happens to be on the exact street where I grew up at, so this deeply effects me. I lived half my life until I was 22 on 9th st between Middle and East. Gas USA and the whole southside has always had a real bad reputation, it gets robbed all the time and I actually witnessed it being robbed before. That corner store at 15th and west ave was doing even worse but I think its still vacant now. One thing that disappoints me is that even with all of these serious crimes going on in that neighborhood they still decided to build the new high school within 3 blocks of Gas USA and some of the highest crime areas of the Southside. The least they could have done is built the high school in an average or nice area.

[TheCLE]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Yes it does effect all of us on here, I cannot say how much it effects everyone else but it deeply effects me.

To further my point, just today there was a murder on the Southside of Elyria in Gas USA (The Southside is the worst neighborhood by far, and there have been about 4 murders in that exact place since 2001). Gas USA just happens to be on the exact street where I grew up at, so this deeply effects me. I lived half my life until I was 22 on 9th st between Middle and East. Gas USA and the whole southside has always had a real bad reputation, it gets robbed all the time and I actually witnessed it being robbed before. That corner store at 15th and west ave was doing even worse but I think its still vacant now. One thing that disappoints me is that even with all of these serious crimes going on in that neighborhood they still decided to build the new high school within 3 blocks of Gas USA and some of the highest crime areas of the Southside. The least they could have done is built the high school in an average or nice area.

For what it's worth, that was the first murder on the southside I've heard about this year. And it wasn't a random robbery/murder. The person who robbed the store and shot the clerk has a girlfriend who is also a clerk there. The robber knew that the store had a bunch of cash when he robbed it. I heard he got away with $7,000-8,000, which is stupid for the place to have that much cash on hand at 12:30 in the morning, but everybody knows how shady that place is ... they aren't just selling gas, liquor and lottery tickets out of there. Anyway, the clerk handed over the cash, pleaded for her life but was still shot in the head. The reason the robber shot her is because she knew who he was. Fortunately the perp was caught and will now be the state's problem for the rest of his life.

Also, the store on 15th and West isn't a problem spot, IMO. Actually there are two stores at that intersection. I don't go down West all that often, but last time I went down the store on the north side of 15th still looked open to me. The store on the south side of 15th may be closed. I've never went in there. I'm not even sure what the hell it is/was. Still, I have not heard of anything major happening at either place and my family lives right around the corner from there. The southside really only has three problem areas ... Wilkes, South Park and Gas USA. The rest of the neighborhood has some problems, what "inner-city neighborhood" doesn't? But it isn't that bad. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but just from my perception, overall crime in the neighborhood seems to be down the last couple of years and that is even though the economy is going down the crapper.

As for the school. I don't see the big deal. The high school has been in that same spot since about 1850. If I have my facts straight the new high school is going to be on the existing site of the old one and the block across the street. So, much of the land was already owned by the district. Plus, do you really think the people on the eastside or northside want the high school in their neighborhood? I don't think so, people on the eastside and northside raised hell when they started bussing kids from the southside to Northwood and Eastern Heights. If the new high school was built on that side of town, the families over there that send their kids to Elyria Catholic or other private schools would continue to do so.

[BelieveInCleve]

I think thats actually the 1st or 2nd murder for the city of Elyria. Lorain has 2-3 I think and they just had 2 people shot and 1 injured on E29th street in South Lorain. South Elyria is bad, its not the worst place ever, but when you compare it to the rest of the city its the worst area by far. 15th and West was definitely a trouble spot for a while, it has quited down but its always been bad. I was driving down West Ave about a year ago and they had the whole intersection blocked off with about 4 police cars and I heard someone had been shot there. Also a year before that a kid was walking outside and was beaten almost to death. There was also a lot of times driving past there late at night and there were 15-20 crackheads standing there and drug dealers. That drive through around 8th and Middle has even been worse recently, drug dealers and local thugs can be seen all the time. I have a lot of stories and reports of things going on in the southside, its ridiculous how bad it can get and how bad it is compared to the rest of the city.

The new location for the high school is actually a step up from where they were planning on building it, which was very close to Wilkes Villa. That was not going to fly with the rest of the city. The problem they were saying was that the new high school extends for another block south, and trust me its a big difference between those streets. 7th street had a lot of stolen cars on it, and that apartment complex on 7th and Middle has been a trouble spot for a long time.

For how bad the Southside is, it has been nicknamed "Thug City" by some local residents. Heres a rap video shot on the southside of Elyria, mostly 10th alley & West Ave, South Park and Gas USA: MySpaceTV Videos: Thug City Athem OH 10 by 1/2 Amazin a.k.a True Story

[BelieveInCleve]

I havent been keeping track, but Im pretty sure there has been at least 2 more murders in Cleveland so that would bring the total to about 42-43.

[Pgserge27]

I haven't heard anything about any murders recently, is this just a guess?