2008 Cleveland Homicides (Columbus, Cincinnati, Toledo: parking, town, near)

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

I doubt that Cincinnati has 40 homicides already. Seeing that 89 is the highest it ever had in a year, and the average year is around 60 I dont see Cincinnati having anymore than 30 or so right now unless there has been an unusually high number of homicides in Cincinnati this year, and I havent heard anything about it. Cleveland has around 65 right now and we can expect another 50 easily.

it's at least 40, what is so unbelievable about it? and cincinnati has had more than 90 in a year, but the city has kept some suspicious records over the years.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by PeterRabbit

City of Cincinnati -Cincinnati Initiative to Reduce Violence (broken link)

Since 1998 homicides steadily increased, reaching a modern-day high of 89 homicides in 2006, with an average of 73.3 homicides per year from 2001 to 2006. In 2007, homicides declined to 68 -- biggest single year decline in homicides since 1991.

Lawmakers Look To Queen City As Crime-Prevention Model - Cincinnati News Story - WLWT Cincinnati (http://www.wlwt.com/news/16713161/detail.html - broken link)

[hillside]

if i was another city struggling w/crime, i wouldn't ever take advice from cincinnati police and hamilton county. you'll be in front of a grand jury quicker than an august sneeze.

[PeterRabbit]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

Lawmakers Look To Queen City As Crime-Prevention Model - Cincinnati News Story - WLWT Cincinnati (http://www.wlwt.com/news/16713161/detail.html - broken link)

I've read that article before. At the time the murder rate wasn't so bad. But to say, "Officers said that the city has seen a 20 percent drop in homicides for two years in a row..." It didn't specify what two years and if they mean the most recent years their math is way off:

2005 = 79
2006 = 89
2007 = 62

But there is a 30% drop from 2006 to 2007 and that looks real good. I wouldn't assume a city as a model though based on a one year difference. PDs have been busted fudging numbers and the FBI often reduces them regardless.

Using cameras and placing additional visible cops in hot spots has been effective for PDs that have done that. Philly's chief said they would have a 25% reduction this year and they have a plan that's working right on target.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by PeterRabbit

I've read that article before. At the time the murder rate wasn't so bad. But to say, "Officers said that the city has seen a 20 percent drop in homicides for two years in a row..." It didn't specify what two years and if they mean the most recent years their math is way off:

2005 = 79
2006 = 89
2007 = 62

But there is a 30% drop from 2006 to 2007 and that looks real good. I wouldn't assume a city as a model though based on a one year difference. PDs have been busted fudging numbers and the FBI often reduces them regardless.

Using cameras and placing additional visible cops in hot spots has been effective for PDs that have done that. Philly's chief said they would have a 25% reduction this year and they have a plan that's working right on target.

philly is a perfect example of a town that's been caught hiding bodies and rapes. i don't have time to find the links right now, but it's happened.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

it's at least 40, what is so unbelievable about it? and cincinnati has had more than 90 in a year, but the city has kept some suspicious records over the years.

I didnt say it was unbelievable, I just said I doubted it. I wouldnt be surprised if Cincinnati did have 40 or more homicides already though. But seeing as 89 is the highest ever recorded in Cincinnati for a year, 40 does seem high for this early in the year. Even if its at 40 or higher thats really not that bad, just a little high for Cincinnati. There is a lot of cities that are doing a lot worse than that right now.

[Cincy-Rise]

Originally Posted by Cle440

40 does seem high for this early in the year.

If August is "early" in the year, what is late -or mid to you?

[BelieveInCleve]

Another homicide in Cleveland on 77th and Woodland. That brings the total to around 65.

[BelieveInCleve]

Another homicide on the Near East-side, thats 66 now.

[Cincy-Rise]

From UrbanOhio (8/11):

Does anyone know what the REAL homicide number is after the shooting in Mt Auburn this morning. The Enquirer is reporting 41 while 39 was mentioned on WLW?

If you go with the higher of the two numbers, and project out given the current rate, then Cincinnati is on tract for 65 homicides for 2008.

Homicide Totals
2005: 79
2006: 85
2007: 67
2008: 65 (projection that is on the high side given normal winter slow downs)