2008 Cleveland Homicides (Columbus, Cincinnati, Cleveland Heights: crimes, felony, dangerous)

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by hillside

in 2006 cincinnati had a higher per capita rate. i did not say cincinnati had more murders. I am also not saying Cincinnati is more dangerous than Cleveland. So I don't know how anybody is "right", which i just said in my last post. I was making a statement about new year's day murders and someone attacked my claim. I backed it up with a link. I don't know how it is up in St.Clair or whatever but I am actually from some real bad areas in Cincinnati so my opinions aren't media driven.

I don't think the homicide rate was higher. If it was, it was VERY minimal. Both were around 26 per 100,000 people. I honestly don't know where you are getting your information.

[Cle440]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

I don't think the homicide rate was higher. If it was, it was VERY minimal. Both were around 26 per 100,000 people. I honestly don't know where you are getting your information.

I think hillside said that Cincinnati might have been the murder capital in Ohio, not in the entire country. Cincinnati was not the highest per capita in Ohio anyways, but it was pretty close. In 2006 Cincinnati had 89 murders, thats 28.8 per 100k. Cleveland had 119 murders, thats 27 per 100k. But Youngstown had 32 murders, which is 38.6 per 100k, so its not even close. A lot of the stats from 2006 are messed up though, because the FBI recorded Clevelands murder count as 75, when the city had 119 that year, so Clevelands crime rate of 2006 is actually a lot higher than the stats say. Cleveland did even worse in 2007 with 134 murders.

This year is looking a lot better so far since Cleveland only has around 8 murders, when this time last year I think it was around 22 or more.

[hillside]

I don't know where some of you guys get your info from. i get mine from the feds. morgan quitno is...ehh...but the federalis are who i listen to. and in 2006 the federalis said cincinnati had the 8th highest murder rate in the country in cities above 300,000. cleveland was 9th. if i came on here saying cincinnati had more murders than reported, I would get ripped for making up stuff and doctoring stats. the truth is, in 2006, the feds reported cincinnati with 89 murders and a population of 307,000. the 60,000 added since then was due to a census petition on behalf of the mayor. it's nice to know we had 60,000 people living under a rock, but it doesn't change anything for me. cleveland could find some folks uncounted if they wanted to because the census is a joke, so it doesn't seem that relevant.

i only compare cities of similar population group. never understood the fascination of comparing a gary, camden or ESL to detroit. that takes youngstown out of the equation.

75k to 150k

150k to 299k

300k and up

[Cincy-Rise]

^ Why don't we look at 2007 instead of 2006?

Oh yeah ... I know why. Cincinnati's crime in both serious and non-serious categories dropped in '07!

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

^ Why don't we look at 2007 instead of 2006?

Oh yeah ... I know why. Cincinnati's crime in both serious and non-serious categories dropped in '07!

you're right about cincinnati, but wrong about why. the feds haven't completed the data or released it yet, so until august or september, 2006 is the year I'm going by.

[Cle440]

Originally Posted by hillside

i only compare cities of similar population group. never understood the fascination of comparing a gary, camden or ESL to detroit. that takes youngstown out of the equation.

75k to 150k

150k to 299k

300k and up

That makes sense. If you base it just on cities over 300k in Ohio than Cincinnati did have the highest per 100k in 2006. Its kind of hard to compare the bigger cities to Youngstown that only has 70k people.

A lot of the feds' stats have errors in them. The most obvious one I saw is that in 2006 they said that Cleveland had 75 murders, when it had 119, last time I checked 44 murders was a big error. I also wondered if morganquitno based their report on those stats if they did than Cleveland would actually be in the top 5 most dangerous cities instead of 7th or 10th. Im not sure if they made errors in Cincinnatis' stats.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

That makes sense. If you base it just on cities over 300k in Ohio than Cincinnati did have the highest per 100k in 2006. Its kind of hard to compare the bigger cities to Youngstown that only has 70k people.

A lot of the feds' stats have errors in them. The most obvious one I saw is that in 2006 they said that Cleveland had 75 murders, when it had 119, last time I checked 44 murders was a big error. I also wondered if morganquitno based their report on those stats if they did than Cleveland would actually be in the top 5 most dangerous cities instead of 7th or 10th. Im not sure if they made errors in Cincinnatis' stats.

no question. the feds can't get anything right, led alone a crime stat sheet. i know some folks think i'm trying to hype up cincinnati, but i just take stuff at an approximation. if cleveland was the 5th most dangerous city above 300,000 by morgan quitno, baltimore was 6th, cincinnati 7th and k.c. 8th, from a general crime perspective, they are around the same level, not including homicide. just as cleveland is about as dangerous as #3 oakland and #4 memphis.

[WeSoHood]

Cleveland officer was shot and killed last night. RIP. Cops on the west side shot and killed a suspect last night as well.

[Cle440]

Yeah, there has just recently been 2 or 3 murders, so that brings the homicide count around 11 I think. Im not exactly sure, I havent been keeping good track of it.

Being a cop in Cleveland is very very dangerous. I was looking at a list of all the police officers who were killed in Ohio and at least 3/4 of them were from Cleveland (Cincinnati and Columbus werent even close). I remember last year there was at least 4 officers who were killed, and even more people that were killed by the police.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Yeah, there has just recently been 2 or 3 murders, so that brings the homicide count around 11 I think. Im not exactly sure, I havent been keeping good track of it.

Being a cop in Cleveland is very very dangerous. I was looking at a list of all the police officers who were killed in Ohio and at least 3/4 of them were from Cleveland (Cincinnati and Columbus werent even close). I remember last year there was at least 4 officers who were killed, and even more people that were killed by the police.

i have heard of several police killings in cleveland. cincinnati police kill, they don't get killed. they don't go to jail and they don't lose their jobs either.