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Old 09-20-2015, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Unfortunately Cleveland will have no trouble making the top 10 deadliest city list based on per capita homicides.
Maybe we need the national guard to help Cleveland, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis, Memphis, Oakland, etc..
Repeat of the 1960's? I don't think that is going to help these cities but instead leave everyone else with the impression that they're out of control on crime and that they forever need federal assistance to prop themselves up. Baltimore might has well go from Charm City to Curse City, Detroit from Motor City to Move Out City, and Cleveland from Mistake on the Lake (which is bad enough to start with) to Mayhem on the Lake, when on all accounts it should be working towards becoming the "Miracle on the Lake". How is Cleveland going to keep up with its efforts to regain population, jobs, and investment then? Besides, I don't think calling in the national guard to maintain control is an inexpensive move either.
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Old 09-20-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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Repeat of the 1960's? I don't think that is going to help these cities but instead leave everyone else with the impression that they're out of control on crime and that they forever need federal assistance to prop themselves up. Baltimore might has well go from Charm City to Curse City, Detroit from Motor City to Move Out City, and Cleveland from Mistake on the Lake (which is bad enough to start with) to Mayhem on the Lake, when on all accounts it should be working towards becoming the "Miracle on the Lake". How is Cleveland going to keep up with its efforts to regain population, jobs, and investment then? Besides, I don't think calling in the national guard to maintain control is an inexpensive move either.
Keep in mind that Kasich and the Republicans have gutted the Ohio local government fund, putting city budgets, including for safety forces, under much pressure.

It's interesting that the massively pro-Kasich PD has never done an in-depth analysis of the impact of these local government fund cuts, especially on the safety budgets in crime plagued Cleveland and East Cleveland. The latter can't even afford to purchase new ambulances or fire equipment.

Yet we are spending hundreds of millions on JobsOhio incentives with virtually no public transparency.

Deficient policing makes criminal activity more profitable and prolific.

Some of the contributing factors, as mentioned in other posts, are the result of the poor and underfunded federal responses to the heroin and synthetic marijuana epidemics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/ma...tion.html?_r=0

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Old 09-20-2015, 10:38 AM
 
Location: cleveland
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Repeat of the 1960's? I don't think that is going to help these cities but instead leave everyone else with the impression that they're out of control on crime and that they forever need federal assistance to prop themselves up. Baltimore might has well go from Charm City to Curse City, Detroit from Motor City to Move Out City, and Cleveland from Mistake on the Lake (which is bad enough to start with) to Mayhem on the Lake, when on all accounts it should be working towards becoming the "Miracle on the Lake". How is Cleveland going to keep up with its efforts to regain population, jobs, and investment then? Besides, I don't think calling in the national guard to maintain control is an inexpensive move either.
I was joking about the national guard.. I agree with you.. This mayhem in some of our cities is going to take efforts on all fronts, especially in the heart of the worst neighborhoods.
Gang wars in Cleveland seems to be a big part in the spike in homicides 2015
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Old 09-20-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Multiple shootings in Cleveland on same day of outreach meetings

It's ever more sickening when perpetrators wildly shoot at their targets when young children or other innocent bystanders are around. The police will need the help of the community to capture all of these criminals and if the community refuses to help, then the cycle will repeat all over again.
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Old 09-20-2015, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Two found dead in home on Cleveland's East Side | cleveland.com

More murders....

Man found dead with gunshot wounds under Jeep on Cleveland's East Side | cleveland.com

and another one!
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Old 09-20-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: cleveland
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Total now stands at 93 homicides YTD.
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Old 09-20-2015, 04:59 PM
 
Location: cleveland
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Violent weekend in Cleveland sees five people found dead, three others shot | cleveland.com

Wknd recap.. Just crazy
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Old 09-20-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Wow they need to start posting cops at some street corners in the worst areas or something.
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Old 09-22-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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Sadly, this is going on everywhere. I was reading last night that 50 shootings took place in Chicago over the weekend!! 50 shootings!!!!

5 were killed, and 45 were injured by the bullets... Unbelievable....
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Old 09-23-2015, 08:03 PM
 
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Again, with all the hand wringing in this thread, nobody points out that the crime is concentrated in the same old impoverished areas. Did anyone really expect that the situation would just evaporate? In some years it's a little better and in others a little worse -- i.e., the same as it ever was.

I feel for those who are stuck in those areas, but the feigned disbelief from this group is a bit silly.
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