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Old 03-19-2008, 04:24 PM
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Quote from Hillside: "My feeling is that Mayor Mallory will build a streetcar line from downtown to uptown in the next 5 years while the county works out the proposed heavy rail lines from downtown to the I-71 corridor and the one proposed to go along I-75 from downtown. By then something comprehensive will have hit the ballot and it will pass this time IF IF IF they do the aformentioned correctly and efficiently. The subway tunnels WILL eventually be used, but WHEN is always the question in Cincinnati."

To my understanding the tunnels are used and many have water mains running through them. I do not see the tunnels being used because of that. The expense to move those water lines would be a lot of money. I do agree that the street cars (not subways) will be a big hit and will expand to our neighborhoods in future years and would love to see the inclines back in areas like Mt. Adams and Price Hill.

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Old 03-19-2008, 05:55 PM
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Like I said, Cleveland needs to make BIG changes. Thats the only way it will improve and attract people to the city. They either need to do annexation or something else that will really change the view of the city. I am all for building casinos in Cleveland. Thats hundreds of millions of dollars Ohio is losing to other states, and thats the only thing the other states can offer that Ohio cant. Right now any change will be good for Cleveland.

I say close Burke Lakefront and do something better with that property. Either build a whole new neighborhood, highrises, a new port, parks, businesses, anything that will improve Cleveland. I think it would be nice to build like a indoor waterpark on Burke Lakefront so even in the winter you could go there and it would be 80 degrees and you could go swimming. Also we have to clean the rivers and the lakes out. I dont know about you but the last time I went to Edgewater that water was really nasty, just as bad as Lakeview Beach in Lorain. We need to clean all of that up.

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Old 03-20-2008, 12:42 AM
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The last I heard they were going to shut down the East 79th st. stop because there was hardly anybody getting on at that stop. Maybe if that neighborhood wasnt so bad than more people would be getting on at that stop.
Really? I hadn't heard that. I'm assuming your talking about the Red Line E. 79th as opposed to the Blue/Green E. 79th stop 1/2 mile south. I'm surprised RTA would close either stop since both are unmanned (but I guess they'd save on the light bill). It seems the Blue/Green E. 79th draws slightly more people; perhaps cause its elevated and is more visible/safer feeling.

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Old 03-20-2008, 12:48 AM
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I don't think more RTA is going to do very much to improve things in Cleveland. Mass transit is basically an infinite money pit in DC and Atlanta right now, because they can't stay afloat without huge subsidies.

This is coming from a guy who takes the Metro every single day, and I'd like to thank everyone around the country for subsidizing my transportation. I really enjoy sticking you all with that bill.

The three basic things that will need to happen in Cleveland for anything to get better are: more police presence to reduce crime, better educational opportunities so people would actually want to send their children to Cleveland's schools, and a better business climate. I think there needs to be more police officers on the street so that laws are enforced in every square inch of the city all the time.

I believe parents need to be able to send their children to whichever schools they feel will do the best job of educating them. Lastly, taxes and regulation within the city need to be reduced, so that companies will want to locate within the city to create more jobs.

Without these things, I think you'll see another 30 years of people abandoning Cleveland for greener pastures elsewhere. Another individual development project here and there won't get it done. There have to be some very basic, structural changes in the attitudes of Clevelanders for any of this to be possible.

However, my guess is that Cleveland will stay stuck in its old ways of doing things that haven't been working for 30 years, and it will all just be the same old, same old.
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Old 03-20-2008, 01:06 PM
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Really? I hadn't heard that. I'm assuming your talking about the Red Line E. 79th as opposed to the Blue/Green E. 79th stop 1/2 mile south. I'm surprised RTA would close either stop since both are unmanned (but I guess they'd save on the light bill). It seems the Blue/Green E. 79th draws slightly more people; perhaps cause its elevated and is more visible/safer feeling.
Yeah I thought they were talking about the Red Line one. I forgot that they even had more than 1 rail stopping on E 79th. They said they were closing it because of low ridership or something. Im not sure if they ever closed it or not though.

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Old 03-20-2008, 07:33 PM
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^^nothing closed yet.

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Old 03-20-2008, 11:39 PM
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The first thing Cleveland needs to do is to revitalize it's public image. Many young people do not even know what Cleveland is or where it is. So the city needs to set aside some tax dollars toward a nationwide ad campaign. The commercial should show beautiful images of the city and the surrounding suburbs. It should talk about the great infrastructure Cleveland has including Lake Erie, Ohio Turnpike, Hopkins Airport, Cuyahoga River, and Railroads. Talk about the great economy (even though it is a work in progress). Talk about the affordable new housing stock available and talk about the low interest rates. Basically, paint a prettier picture than Cleveland truly is, even though it is a great city.

The second thing to do is to talk to large corporations that are considering relocating. Give tax exemptions of 2 to 5 years to corporations that would like to relocate to the City of Cleveland. Make presentations that show how many people are educated in their field and are currently living in Cleveland. I don't know why companies have not relocated to Cleveland since corporations love cities with high unemployment (cheap labor).

The third thing to do is to energize the community by airing ads locally also. Many people would love to hear from their mayor talk about the wonderful things that are going on. Talk about what is going on at the Flatts, Warehouse District, East Cleveland, Clinic Area, and the Lakefront. Talk about wonderful light and high-tech industrial and commercial projects that will bring money into the city.

The fourth thing to do would be to redevelop the lakefront. This can only be done, after the unemployment is down significantly and there must be a greater demand for employees than there are available employees, and only then can Cleveland build lakefront parks, housing, retail space, etc. It also must be housing that is affordable for most Clevelanders. There can be upscale housing, but most must be in the $350,000 or below range. Single-Family and Row Houses may be an atractive type of housing to urban families. The lakefront must have its own Elementary, Jr. High, and High School. Those schools must only serve residents of that area, otherwise the school will decline over time and will be brought down to the other schools levels. There also needs to be extensive light rail transportation. This light rail tranportation line should extend from the are that Burke Lakefront Airport is currently outward east to the community of Perry, OH and outward west to the community of Amherst. The line would also have a great effect on the communities at the ends of the lines. They could become new commuter suburbs. It would help boost their economies. Amherst and Perry are both clean slates and could become two new Naperville, ILs. If there is only limited usage of Burke Lakefront Airport it should be closed and become a nice new lakefront community that I have described. The area directly west of Browns Stadium on Front Street could be a small enclave of highrises. Whiskey Island already has some nice things going for it. Relocating the Heavy Industry somewhere else would be essential to the development of Whiskey Island. Around the parks and marinas that are there currently, there should be luxury high-rise, mid-rise, and row homes constructed in that area. The price points are TBD but should be at the top-price point. I do not believe that the Shoreway should be demolished. It would devastate the communities like Bratenahl that is serves. I should simply be relocated pushed back about a block and a half to where the current Amtrak lines are. The Amtrak Lines could remain in the center of the new expressway, but the best thing would be to relocate the south of downtown, where much of the industrial railroad is currently, which would be unusful as Cleveland would only have residential, commericial, and potentially light or high-tech industry in that area along the river south of Downtown. Cleveland needs to restart the downtown development plan so that it can win the award for best downtown in the country! Like Greenville, SC did.

When Cleveland has the tax base after the city gets enough cash flow and rids itself of debt we can begin restructuring the schools. Schools should not be Cleveland's top priority. There are already fantastic schools in the suburbs and business and upscale residential is more important at this stage. Children should be assigned to their neighborhood school except magnet and charter school students. We should make and A average the minimum requirement for Magnet and Charter Schools and this average must be maintained. A B average would be required to apply for a school change to a school that has open spaces and is not zoned for that child. New Schools need to be built when the city has enough funds. Cleveland also needs to establish a more extensive City College system that allows adults to attend school for free based on their income. This City College system will lead to an educated urban workforce. This will let Cleveland spend less money on reqruitment for workers outside the area. More High-Tech and Executive jobs will come to Cleveland when we have and an educated workforce. This educated and employed workforce will lead to the redevelopment of our poorer neighborhoods. Education is key to reducing crime, reducing unemployment, etc. Another thing that needs to be taught in Cleveland Schools is the Credit System. Because Cleveland was hit so hard by the mortgage meltdown and credit crisis, we have learned from our mistakes and we must create a program that educates students. When they turn 18 they will begin to receive credit offers and they need to know what and what not to do. This is key to life. I have seen lives ruined becuase of poor credit decisions and it is very difficult to recover after you have made so many mistakes.

The sixth issue is keeping people in the city. This can all be solved by doing all the steps above. Most people would love to live in the city, but you have to deal with crime, bad schools, small lots, etc. This can all be solved by new development that caters to all tastes.

The seventh issue is the suburbs. If the urban economy is good, so is the suburban economy. Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights need to get it together in order to benefit from the new development, etc. The ways Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights can prepare is by improving the schools, building new housing, sprucing up downtown areas, improving transportation, and renovating the existing homes. The Heights also need to be very careful about taxes and how high they price the homes. They need to come in probably slightly lower than they already are priced at because many Americans will skip right by and go out to live in Solon and similar.

Public Housing and Affordable Housing is an issue in Cleveland. As unemployment drops and education gets higher, we can slowly bulldoze Public Housing. We can introduce non-integrated affordable housing. It sounds mean, but integrated affordable housing simply does not work in the US. It will never work and people are happier when they are around people like them.

No Casinos

No Tax Hikes, Lower Commercial Taxes, Lower Taxes in the Suburbs

No More Heavy Industry

The last other thing Cleveland can do is become a Green City. If Cleveland becomes a Green City people will have a better impression of it. People will flock to it like they flocked to Portland, OR. Being Green is not that hard. Cleveland's Eco Friendly program would ad recycling bins and garbage cans to public spaces, mail CFL or LED lights to homes free of charge every year to slowly reduce energy consumption, introduce a recycling program, introduce Environmental classes to the Cleveland schools, Get a program similar to ZipCar in the area, and begin a tire recycling program. Zipcar - Car sharing, cars by the hour or day

Please Listen To Me Mayor Frank G. Jackson, you can email me with questions at destoria@aol.com! Thanks!!!! I Love You Cleveland!

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Old 03-21-2008, 03:14 PM
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Duany Plater-Zyberk & Company would be able to design a wonderful downtown and lakefront plan for Cleveland. They have done so many projects. They are the inventor of "New Urbanism". They designed the Cleveland Central Neighborhood, which is substantially completed now. Visit this webpage for more info - Duany Plater-Zyberk & Company

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Old 03-21-2008, 06:37 PM
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You forgot having parents in the city stay together, and actually raise their kids to be productive and not criminals.

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Old 03-21-2008, 07:10 PM
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With better higher education opportunities, the problem will solve itself.

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