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View Poll Results: Possible second Downtown (or CBD) for Cleveland (if there is one)?
Akron 0 0%
Beachwood 0 0%
Lakewood 2 11.11%
Lorain 0 0%
Solon 0 0%
University Circle 15 83.33%
Or Other (elaborate if you please)? 1 5.56%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-22-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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Hello to all who may see this thread!


I previously commented on a thread on the general forum ( I know don't judge me) but it was concerning a second downtown for your respective major city or a major city you are familiar with (or aware). I posted about Cleveland another city (Seattle) but more that Cleveland's second downtown was University Circle. And someone (naturally) disputed me so rather than row with someone who may not be from the area or lived in it awhile. Moreover I should say I genuinely am curious to know what those more particularly aware of the area would consider Cleveland's second downtown or a potential second downtown whether it be another neighborhood in the city or surrounding/nearby suburb.

So the question is what do you consider to be Cleveland's second downtown. Personally I thought it would be University Circle since its a rather large employment centre after Downtown. Solon and Beachwood could possibly be up there but there's a lot of amenities in University Circle. Criticisms against it is that the area is more like a campus. So what do you think?

Cleveland's Second Downtown

-Or is it Akron?
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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It is undoubtedly University Circle. Solon and Beachwood are pretty vanilla suburbs with office parks, spread pretty far apart. Actually, University Circle is the only one that even qualifies as a "downtown", the rest are cities by themselves. UC is a center of culture, arts, education, medicine, entertainment.

There really is no other possibility for Cleveland's "second downtown."
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Historically the UC area was always known as the second downtown: https://clevelandhistorical.org/item...7#.WSMV2OsrKUk
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:43 PM
 
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Default Uptown

Historically, when Cleveland's population was over double its current total, and it was the nation's 6th largest city, "Uptown" was Cleveland's second downtown. It was just west of University Circle. Most of it is gone today, largely replaced by the multi-block sprawling main campus of the Cleveland Clinic and adjacent developments.

In Cleveland's 'second downtown,' jazz once filled the air: Elegant Cleveland | cleveland.com

Cleveland's legendary Leo's Casino made music history, transcended race (photos, videos) | cleveland.com

The new "Uptown" development is on the eastern end of University Circle, not just west of University Circle as was the old "Uptown." All of the new Uptown developments described in the following NY Times article and much more have been completed:

"Cleveland Turns Uptown Into New Downtown"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/re...g-project.html

Welcome to Uptown Cleveland

Dorm suites in University Circle's Uptown Phase II apartments are a back-to-school delight for Cleveland Institute of Art freshmen (slideshow) | cleveland.com

https://www.rudybruneraward.org/wp-c...n-District.pdf

University Circle's Uptown is a runner-up for the 2015 Rudy Bruner Award | cleveland.com

Cleveland Institute of Art finishes $75 million Uptown campus (photos) | cleveland.com

One University Circle apartment tower, Cleveland's first such project in years, gets under way (photos) | cleveland.com

Uptown effectively is a district along Euclid Ave. in the larger University Circle neighborhood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Circle

University Circle | Cleveland Ohio | Arts & Culture

Read more about University Circle and its attractions here, as well as under the "Dining" and "Nightlife" articles.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g...Cleveland.html

The new Uptown development, and University Circle in its entirety, or even the "Greater University Circle" area that encompasses the Cleveland Clinic is very different in purpose and scale than downtown Cleveland. It is one of the nation's great cultural/educational/medical centers.

Culture Blooms in Cleveland - The New York Times

The Greater University Circle area is spilling over into surrounding neighborhoods, and even into the adjacent cities of Cleveland Hts. and East Cleveland.

Work begins on Nord Family Greenway linking University Circle, Hough (photos) | cleveland.com

Certainly, University Circle is the second bell in Cleveland's barbell, connected to downtown both by the Red Line rail rapid (with both eastern and western UC stations) and the 24/7 Healthline bus rapid.

http://www.riderta.com/healthline/about

Downtown has Cleveland's commercial, financial, and government centers, three major pro sports venues, Cleveland harbor, Burke Lakefront Airport, four entertainment/dining districts (five, inclusive of the Market District across the Cuyahoga River from downtown), Cleveland State University, and PlayhouseSquare (Cleveland's great theatrical district), and, additionally on the lakefront, the Rock Hall of Fame and Museum, a science center, and two excellent maritime museums (U.S.S. Cod and Steampship Mather).

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Old 05-22-2017, 01:30 PM
 
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I went with University Circle because of obviously the sheer size of the workforce with UH, CWRU/CIM/CIA, VA etc (btw, even though most people do, I never consider Cleveland Clinic in University Circle -- to me its both a Fairfax and Hough neighborhood institution, not UC ... but that's me)... Also, of course, we have our mega-museums tightly clustered in UC as well adding to the extremely high-culture of the neighborhood. If it only had the amazing Art Museum, that would be enough, but obviously there's so much more... Next door is small, the very dense, Little Italy-- Together U. Circle and Little Italy are vibrant, dense, walkable, transit friendly and very architecturally and aesthetically attractive, both old and new.

I do think an argument can made for Ohio City being considered a 2nd downtown. (unlike the OP's suggestions, I didn't consider any suburb as a second downtown, not even Lakewood, which has high density overall). Ohio City quite obviously is densest, most exciting mixed use restaurant, entertainment district in the City outside downtown... Also Ohio City so close to downtown and if it was separated by the Cuyahoga River and Flats river valley, it would be considered a "shoulder" neighborhood to downtown Cleveland. Like U.Circle, Ohio City is also walkable and very transit served by both the Red Line rail Rapid as well as frequent 24/7 bus service. The amazing West Side Market as well as the old, often Victorian residential buildings are as pleasing in their own ways as those in University Circle.
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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I went with University Circle because of obviously the sheer size of the workforce with UH, CWRU/CIM/CIA, VA etc (btw, even though most people do, I never consider Cleveland Clinic in University Circle -- to me its both a Fairfax and Hough neighborhood institution, not UC ... but that's me)... Also, of course, we have our mega-museums tightly clustered in UC as well. Next door is small, the very dense, Little Italy-- Together U. Circle and Little Italy are vibrant, dense, walkable, transit friendly and very architecturally and aesthetically attractive, both old and new.

I do think an argument can made for Ohio City being considered a 2nd downtown. (unlike the OP's suggestions, I didn't consider any suburb as a second downtown, not even Lakewood, which has high density overall). Ohio City quite obviously is densest, most exciting mixed use restaurant, entertainment district in the City outside downtown... Also Ohio City so close to downtown and if it was separated by the Cuyahoga River and Flats river valley, it would be considered a "shoulder" neighborhood to downtown Cleveland. Like U.Circle, Ohio City is also walkable and very transit served by both the Red Line rail Rapid as well as frequent 24/7 bus service. The amazing West Side Market as well as the old, often Victorian residential buildings are as pleasing in their own ways as those in University Circle.
I was almost about to say something about Ohio City as the only other conceivable option, but it is really more properly viewed as an entertainment district. A good one, but it's hardly an economic engine compared to UC.
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Old 05-22-2017, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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I voted for University Circle. Mostly because all the other choices were suburbs or satellite cities and have their own downtowns. Lakewood, for example, has a nice little downtown, but it can't really compete with Cleveland's downtown.

As for Ohio City (I grew up there), my mother used to refer to it as "Uptown". But that was just her own terminology. A friend of mine (who also grew up nearby) said his family used to refer to downtown Cleveland as "Big Downtown" and Ohio City's West 25th Street as "Little Downtown" (that was back when it was a shopping area with Fries & Schuele, Giant Tiger, Woolworths, etc.). That's one way to look at it, I guess.
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Old 05-22-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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I was almost about to say something about Ohio City as the only other conceivable option, but it is really more properly viewed as an entertainment district. A good one, but it's hardly an economic engine compared to UC.
You're right. I do think there is potential for more office as well as high-density residential development there. The United Bank building is the largest office building right now, but there could be a lot of other offices and light industry there if there was a serious push by City leaders. OC has a lot going for it in addition to transit and closeness to downtown. It's also not far from freeway access, as well.
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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Voted for UC, but a case could be made for Independence/Rockside Road. It's basically an "edge city" but has pulled a number of jobs from downtown, and continues to do so.
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Old 05-22-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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You would not believe the amount of idiots who are actually FROM the Cleveland area that call University Circle "downtown".... it is 5 miles east of downtown! with that said, I'd consider UC the "second downtown" I guess
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