Cleveland's weather (Green: 2013, homes, camp)

[WRnative]

Here's a Cleveland.com discussing December snowfalls, which seems to have been diminished in the last five years.

https://www.cleveland.com/datacentra...east-ohio.html

Here's a related thread about the impact of global warming on Cleveland weather and weather-related activities.

Cleveland winters; worst blizzard in most Clevelanders' memory

[teacherdad]

Meanwhile, it's going to be near 32 degrees tonight on the west coast! It's cold! Honestly, we are next to the ocean so a 35 is what CLE feels like at about 25. it's different. I can walk CLE in shorts when it's 48, but not here.

[mbowes80]

My brother's quip: "The Midwest is going to win global warming!"
My sister-in-law's retort: "No one wins global warming!"

I read somewhere that this region might be affected by increased mosquito activity.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by mbowes80

My brother's quip: "The Midwest is going to win global warming!"
My sister-in-law's retort: "No one wins global warming!"

I read somewhere that this region might be affected by increased mosquito activity.

Food production will plummet globally. Due to accelerating ice melt, many coastal areas globally may be inundated within 20-50 years. Ocean beaches and coastal nature preserves will be the first to disappear. Temperatures in the cryosphere now are much more regularly above the melting point of ice, with higher temperature anomalies continuing to increase.

https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2018/0...d-agriculture/

<<A wholesale collapse of Pine Island and Thwaites would set off a catastrophe. Giant icebergs would stream away from Antarctica like a parade of frozen soldiers. All over the world, high tides would creep higher, slowly burying every shoreline on the planet, flooding coastal cities and creating hundreds of millions of climate refugees.

All this could play out in a mere 20 to 50 years—much too quickly for humanity to adapt.>>

https://www.wired.com/story/two-melt...ur-coastlines/

Few Americans seem to understand that only in the last decade have higher temperatures reached the ice melt tipping point in vast reaches of the cryosphere. Urgent scientific warnings are being ignored, and even mocked, by many of our politicians. Recent research documents the risks.

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/news/148/m...-are-waking-up

<<“Rather than increasing steadily as climate warms, Greenland will melt increasingly more and more for every degree of warming. The melting and sea level rise we’ve observed already will be dwarfed by what may be expected in the future as climate continues to warm,” said Trusel.>>

https://www.whoi.edu/news-release/gr...four-centuries

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07617-1

https://www.livescience.com/64243-gr...ting-fast.html

NASA's new ICESat-2 satellite likely will, with each passing year, increase significantly mankind's understanding of accelerating ice melt rates, but it may be too late to halt the onslaught of environmental catastrophe. Future generations likely will wonder how we ignored the impact, despite decades of scientific warnings, of over 35 billion of metric tons of carbon dioxide accumulating in the atmosphere annually as a result of fossil fuel consumption.

<<Early data suggest that Antarctica’s Dotson ice shelf has lost more than 390 feet (120 meters) in thickness since 2003, Smith told the Associated Press.

“Very soon, we’ll have measurements that we can compare to older measurements of surface elevation,” Smith said. “And after the satellite’s been up for a year, we’ll start to be able to watch the ice sheets change over the seasons.”>>

https://www.washington.edu/news/2018...eet-elevation/

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/news/149/i...ea-ice-forests

Ocean warming and ocean acidification already are destroying much of the world's coral, and increasingly destroying marine life that provides a significant portion of human protein. Even phytoplankton that provide the majority of the world's oxygen production are threatened.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...tores-of-heat/

https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/inve...-acidification

As noted in the linked thread in post one, northeast Ohio's maple sugaring industry/culture is living on borrowed time. I saw a trail placard at Holden Arboretum near the wildflower garden that said maple trees will be gone from Ohio by 2100.

We likely will face increased tick risks, perhaps even fire ants and Formosan termites, possibly Africanized bees. Kudzu already is entering northern Ohio and may greatly detract from local nature parks, forests.

Already hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent annually due to natural catastrophes resulting from man-made climate change -- in 2018, Hurricane Michael and Hurricane Florence and 14,000 residences destroyed by wildfires in California.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikshe.../#5f01a5ce4631

Funds spent on catastrophe mitigation by the already heavily indebted and deficit-plagued federal government are funds not available to Ohio for infrastructure or other urgent needs, such as mass transit.

While Ohio may receive a massive influx of residents, is this actually desirable for our quality of life? Who will pay for increased infrastructure needs and services?

For those of us who actually perceive the massive change in our local winters, when combined with the evidence of mounting empirical evidence and scientific warnings and disastrous natural calamities, weather changes may actually convince many Americans that something is unacceptably wrong and push them to action long before accelerating sea level rise and other environmental catastrophes induce global panic in coming decades.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/30/o...ther-2018.html

And none of us remember the deadliest winter storm in Great Lakes history, that devastated Cleveland in early November 2013, just after Halloween, unimaginable today given Cleveland's disappearing winters.

https://www.cleveland.com/weather/bl...rt_river_index

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by WRnative

And none of us remember the deadliest winter storm in Great Lakes history, that devastated Cleveland in early November 2013, just after Halloween, unimaginable today given Cleveland's disappearing winters.

https://www.cleveland.com/weather/bl...rt_river_index

The above year should be 1913 and not 2013.

[mbowes80]

Originally Posted by WRnative

While Ohio may receive a massive influx of residents, is this actually desirable for our quality of life? Who will pay for increased infrastructure needs and services?

Presumably they would, with their tax dollars, and the goods and services they buy.

Don't get me wrong ... I'm of course not rooting for any of this. I'm not sure what else we can do other than support the right politicians and try to be responsible.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by mbowes80

Presumably they would, with their tax dollars, and the goods and services they buy.

Many climate refugees, such as with the Camp Fire victims in CA, will be impoverished, especially as many will have lost their equity in their homes. We could be talking about tens of millions of climate refugees in an already distressed economy. Conditions could be semi-apocalyptic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/03/u...-homeless.html

[216facts]

Climate change is very real and yes, all living creatures on earth are heading into some rough waters. IMO, the biggest question is political. How will the nations of the earth react and deal with a global problem that threatens our quality of life and life itself? Can the largest 20 nations come to some kind of a working relationship that keeps the peace and provide long term sustainability at a reduced quality of life for all? Or will we wage wars to maintain our higher quality of life?

We'll know by the end of this century - if not sooner. Hang on to your seat belts, because I don't think us earthlings have the political organization to sustain the planet at the current burn rate or birth rate.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by 216facts

We'll know by the end of this century - if not sooner. Hang on to your seat belts, because I don't think us earthlings have the political organization to sustain the planet at the current burn rate or birth rate.

Sadly, while the focus on and understanding of the calamity posed by man-made climate change is increasing, relatively little attention is being paid to global population growth and the actual need to reduce human population, in both developed nations and even more importantly in struggling, developing nations.

Where will all of the inhabitants of impoverished and severely threatened coastal areas migrate to in coming decades? Consider just Bangladesh.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...out-or-letting

Increasing numbers of scientists are anticipating even 30 feet of sea level rise by 2100, if not sooner. Yet even most proactive politicians anticipate only 5-10 feet of sea level rise by the end of the century. Now that temperatures are rising above the ice melting point in the cryosphere, and negative feedback loops are kicking in, it's uncertain if even a concerted effort to transition away from fossil fuel consumption will mitigate this risk.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

[216facts]

You mean positive feedback loops = instability. (I'm a nerd.) It's pretty much inevitable that there will be significant human tragedy in the next 100 years. https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth
Current population growth is not sustainable AND I believe that in the near future, our current population is not sustainable. I don't want to be a negative-nancy but, like you, its easy to spot a problem when multiple, independent data suggest one.

This is always in the back of my mind as I read through posts on this website, particularly the ones about people bragging or dreaming about population turnaround in their MSAs or whatever. The next 20 to 50 years is so unpredictable, I don't think its going to matter how many people are in your MSA. What may matter is how well your MSA can self support itself, social safety nets, food banks, housing, sewage treatment, water quality, etc. Things many of us take for granted now, may not be so easy to get in the future. We already see some MSAs struggling to maintain water quality, housing, and food sources in the aftermath of disaster.