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Old 12-03-2019, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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Nice to have NASA investing: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/...-building.html

While over at Sandusky: https://fox8.com/2019/11/26/nasas-or...e-moon-launch/
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Old 12-04-2019, 06:58 AM
 
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At some point in the (near?) future, NASA's priorities will change drastically, to the detriment of Cleveland NASA operations IMO.

It's ridiculous that we're spending tens of billions on the moon/Mars programs, and too little research is being done about the catastrophic melting of the permafrost in the Arctic and the massive wildfires there, let alone other pressing environmental issues resulting from fossil fuel consumption. NASA could play a much more massive role in identifying the associated threats to the existential disaster that lies ahead.

This for me was the scariest story of 2019, and that's saying a lot given the events in Syria, etc. I didn't see it anywhere else than in Newsweek.

https://www.newsweek.com/methane-boi...iberia-1463766

See Arctic Ocean here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2785/u...ic-permafrost/

NASA already has identified boreal forest wildfires as a substantial threat.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2905/b...p-soil-carbon/

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...arctic-on-fire

Americans, especially inside the D.C. Beltway, don't understand how temperatures in cryosphere in the last decade increasingly exceeded the melting point of ice and that these temperatures continue to escalate for longer periods of time. This will all change in the immediate years ahead and the next decade surely will see an overwhelming and essential change our nation's priorities -- manned space travel expenditures surely will suffer and even the overall NASA budget might be slashed, as the pleas for federal funds to combat man-made climate change and its consequences already have begun.

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/28/78334...early-3-months

Think about the tens of billions (if not hundreds) spent in the last few years in disaster relief as a result of flooding, wildfires, and more powerful hurricanes and even tropical storms.

If Ohio and Cleveland political leaders want to keep NASA vibrant in northern Ohio, they need to find a way to get programs here that deal with man-made climate change research.

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Old 12-04-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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^^ Agree with your points
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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At some point in the (near?) future, NASA's priorities will change drastically, to the detriment of Cleveland NASA operations IMO.

It's ridiculous that we're spending tens of billions on the moon/Mars programs, and too little research is being done about the catastrophic melting of the permafrost in the Arctic and the massive wildfires there, let alone other pressing environmental issues resulting from fossil fuel consumption. NASA could play a much more massive role in identifying the associated threats to the existential disaster that lies ahead.

This for me was the scariest story of 2019, and that's saying a lot given the events in Syria, etc. I didn't see it anywhere else than in Newsweek.

https://www.newsweek.com/methane-boi...iberia-1463766

See Arctic Ocean here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2785/u...ic-permafrost/

NASA already has identified boreal forest wildfires as a substantial threat.

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2905/b...p-soil-carbon/

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...arctic-on-fire

Americans, especially inside the D.C. Beltway, don't understand how temperatures in cryosphere in the last decade increasingly exceeded the melting point of ice and that these temperatures continue to escalate for longer periods of time. This will all change in the immediate years ahead and the next decade surely will see an overwhelming and essential change our nation's priorities -- manned space travel expenditures surely will suffer and even the overall NASA budget might be slashed, as the pleas for federal funds to combat man-made climate change and its consequences already have begun.

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/28/78334...early-3-months

Think about the tens of billions (if not hundreds) spent in the last few years in disaster relief as a result of flooding, wildfires, and more powerful hurricanes and even tropical storms.

If Ohio and Cleveland political leaders want to keep NASA vibrant in northern Ohio, they need to find a way to get programs here that deal with man-made climate change research.
Well said.
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Old 12-10-2019, 08:40 AM
 
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If Ohio and Cleveland political leaders want to keep NASA vibrant in northern Ohio, they need to find a way to get programs here that deal with man-made climate change research.
Not only that, but I truly believe that NEO would transform itself (reputation, economy, ecosystem) if it went all in on "healthy planet economics/politics". Make top priority an initiative to make Lake Erie the cleanest Great Lake. Give tax incentives and pass legislature that's friendly to green technology companies. Push NASA to use these facilities for climate research. Get rid of all the industrial crap along the river and lake.

Every city is trying to ramp up their tech/med/ed centers. Cleveland already has the med part in spades. Instead of trying to become the "blockchain capitol" or whatever, or waiting for some large tech company to do us a favor and open shop here, I see this green planet model as the real opportunity.

Imagine by 2030 that Cleveland's tagline is "Healthy Living, Healthy Planet".

Trigger John Lennon now...
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Old 12-10-2019, 03:19 PM
 
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Not only that, but I truly believe that NEO would transform itself (reputation, economy, ecosystem) if it went all in on "healthy planet economics/politics". Make top priority an initiative to make Lake Erie the cleanest Great Lake. Give tax incentives and pass legislature that's friendly to green technology companies. Push NASA to use these facilities for climate research. Get rid of all the industrial crap along the river and lake.

Every city is trying to ramp up their tech/med/ed centers. Cleveland already has the med part in spades. Instead of trying to become the "blockchain capitol" or whatever, or waiting for some large tech company to do us a favor and open shop here, I see this green planet model as the real opportunity.

Imagine by 2030 that Cleveland's tagline is "Healthy Living, Healthy Planet".

Trigger John Lennon now...
Agree with this, not only will it provide jobs but it is a long term play in our best interest, making our region more sustainable and more desirable in the long term. We are already making some very good moves in cleaning up the lake, with all of the public investment in sewer overflow storage and post processing.
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:47 PM
 
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Default Site prep continues west of Public Square for SW HQ?

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/...nding-big.html
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Old 12-12-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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Default Cleveland, Buffalo writ large? Climate change migration consciousness heats up

Buffalo is promoting itself as a climate change destination city.

https://www.motherjones.com/environm...mate-refugees/

With its superior amenities, and Ohio's superior fiscal condition compared to New York State, not even considering NY's substantial exposure as a coastal state to sea level rise and hurricane risks, Cleveland should be an even more preferred climate change migration destination city. NY already has significant tax burdens not found in Ohio. E.g., NY has an inheritance tax; Ohio's inheritance tax has been repealed.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...nding-gap-2017

More severe climate change impacts will not be good for Ohio or Cleveland, especially for quality of life, but it likely is inevitable that Cleveland will become a major climate change mass migration destination city.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...e-florida-keys

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Old 12-16-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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Default SW HQ may pick instead riverfront location over Public Square

NEOtrans: Sherwin-Williams HQ competition heats up, delays announcement

SW may find it attractive to utilize its existing riverfront land holdings.
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Old 12-16-2019, 10:37 PM
 
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NEOtrans: Sherwin-Williams HQ competition heats up, delays announcement

SW may find it attractive to utilize its existing riverfront land holdings.
In addition to SHW looking at the riverfront following, apparently, Bedrock's seriously sweetening the deal there, some are also hinting that the police HQ on Public Square at Jacobs' lot may be back in play... Just rumor, though. I'm still feeling Sherwin-Williams still wants the Square site... but what do I know?
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