For those who say there's no new jobs in cleveland... (how much, house)

[ericmc783]

My employer, a company based out of Philadelphia the past 15 years, is opening their second office in Cleveland, Ohio, in June. They are an IT company, an industry in which Cleveland has had a tough time attracting jobs.

IT company plans to hire 100 in Cleveland -

Atleast they scored one...

[YoMikey617]

I wonder... Will this company hire "guest workers" from India at $30K/yr before they pay local IT professionals real living salaries ???

[costello_musicman]

and let's not forget...

High-tech jobs go begging in Northeast Ohio - The Cleveland Plain Dealer Early Edition - Read tomorrow's stories today

[ericmc783]

Originally Posted by YoMikey617

I wonder... Will this company hire "guest workers" from India at $30K/yr before they pay local IT professionals real living salaries ???

Mikey.... I work for this company... and I am 100% american, was born and Raised right here in northern Ohio. All of our employees are people who live in America (and lived in America BEFORE they were hired).

We don't outsource to India, (nor do we hire people straight from india) or any other place overseas.


And yes... I do make a very livable salary, with good benefits. Otherwise, I wouldn't be working here.

[traveller]

Originally Posted by YoMikey617

I wonder... Will this company hire "guest workers" from India at $30K/yr before they pay local IT professionals real living salaries ???

I don't believe any US company pays outsourced employed that much.
I think the whole point in this to hire these foreigners for much less money and no benefits, so the companies keep more money.
Let me know if I am wrong. I'm just curious.

[ottomobeale]

While importing Indians to the US saves money; it typically is not half less. Outsourcing to India can save money but: 1) POs customers if it is customer service. and/or 2) Produces enough errors in technical trades that any savings is killed by having to check everything twice. Believe it or not, outsourcing sometimes COSTS.

IT company hires 100. MFG co lays off 500. Ohio has it rough right now. But it is a boom state compared to MI.

[Eol]

Bah thats the biggest load of crap. I am an IT guy with over 12 years of experience and certs out the yin yang and can't find a job in Cleveland for the 2 years I have been looking, at least none that pay well enough to quit the current job. Sure I can take a ghetto IT job that pays 1/2 the national average but you can be damn if I am going to make less than a secretary or a road crew. Also if you check the big job boards regularly (clevleand.com, monster, dice) you almost never seen more than a dozen or two jobs and most of them are repeats by different head hunters. The IT industry in Cleveland is low skilled wage slave ... and they wonder why we have such big brain drain.

[121804]

Originally Posted by Eol

but you can be damn if I am going to make less than a secretary or a road crew. Also if you check the big job boards regularly (clevleand.com, monster, dice) you almost never seen more than a dozen or two jobs and most of them are repeats by different head hunters. The IT industry in Cleveland is low skilled wage slave ... and they wonder why we have such big brain drain.

So, you'd rather sit & whine about not getting paid ENOUGH in YOUR terms than get any income? I have about .888% sympathy for those with that mindset. Get over how much more you think you should be making than that person wokring out on the roadway b/c hey, betta ya they just are begging to have a job like that...or sitting at a desk getting bit$Ed at by people who assume they are important b/c they make a certain income. Whatever. And I have a MaEd so I have seen both ends of the spectrum & am in a profession that is notorious for low pay/benefits. Being able to pay your bills shows responsibilty & pride, regardless if it is less than what you'd prefer. To be employed in today's job market is a blessing for anyone. So to sit around & expect a certain salary b/c you think you deserve it b/c of a job title...oh well...too bad.

If you are good, go to a professional & reliable firm. If you are good, they'd be coming to you anyway. Depending on Monster to get you a job is lame.

No, this area is not IT heaven. Never has been. Too expect it to be is setting one's self up for failure. Cleveland has a very defined employment spectrum for both blue & white collar. IT is not and probably will never be it's strong point.

[121804]

Originally Posted by traveller

I don't believe any US company pays outsourced employed that much.
I think the whole point in this to hire these foreigners for much less money and no benefits, so the companies keep more money.
Let me know if I am wrong. I'm just curious.

My dh's company hires many foreigners mainly due to work ethic. Laugh all you want & tell me it's b.s. It's not in this case. My dh says they work their ass off for the same amount of money that US citizens whine about & work half as hard.

[Eol]

@121804

I'm not whining, I am simply calling BS on the thread starter. I relocated here and as soon as I can sell my house for what I bought it for (I bought 8 months before the pop, just want to break even) I well relocate away. This is the only city I have worked in where you are stuck at dump job because you can't find a comparable one. As for the rest, I am working at a top line respectable firm .. we are actually the market leader for our market in NE Ohio and Western PA (the Cleveland -> Pitt market) so don't give me that line. The real issue is Cleveland has national competing businesses who hire at local slave wages .. this is what pisses me off. I bring this up because folk reading the board might be looking to relocate here and if they came across the thread starts OP they might think its a good idea, its not.

Off topic but you raised it: Also the issue with foreign IT workers isn't that they don't work hard, its that they don't have the same level of competency or ability to perform (often due to cultural reasons). As one of my favorite despair posters says "Incompetence: When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there's no end to what you can't do". I regularly walk into businesses where the issue is they foreign worker trained for the job description (which HR writes of course) but doesn't truly understand all there is behind it or the "why" it is this way; basically the are crammers as opposed to truly understanding the subject. Also english is an issue even if you and I understand them. The most amusing case I have seen of this recently was a firm with a russian and a chinese guy ... while their american co-workers understood them fine, it would take them 5x as long to talk to each other because they couldn't deal with each other accents, no **** it took them 15 minutes to to convey the simply question / response "Did you backup the server?" "Yes I did" ..... I am not faulting their work ethic, I am faulting their ignorance of core issues and the crammer mindset.