Why does everyone seem so down on Cleveland? (Youngstown, Lorain: foreclosed, rental)

[JR_C]

Maybe these replies can be made to the thread being referenced.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...ty-safety.html

[JR_C]

xwideopenskyx, based on the crime map you provided, it looks OK in the area saraperez is looking.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by Alaskapat528

Actually Ohio City, Tremont, and east of W. 117 to downtown is not classified as the "near west side" as well as Lakewood, Westpark, Rocky River which are considered suburbs of Cleveland. The near west side basically involves main streets of Denison, Storer, Clark, Lorain Ave and the side streets off of here as well as Fulton and down around Pearl Road (W. 25 St.).

I think of "Near West Side" as everything east of, say, West Boulevard, west of the river, and north of, I don't know, maybe Denison Avenue. The boundaries are debatable, of course, but they would definitely include Ohio City and Tremont (I grew up in Ohio City before it was called that... and we considered ourselves as living "on the Near West Side").

I would definitely say West 117th is too far west to be considered "Near West Side"... and Lakewood, West Park, and Rocky River are definitely too far out.

[BelieveInCleve]

I always just make it easier and call most of the westside of the city, East of 117th street, the near westside. When most people say near westside they arent talking about the suburbs unless they say it.

[xwideopenskyx]

Originally Posted by JR_C

xwideopenskyx, based on the crime map you provided, it looks OK in the area saraperez is looking.

Too bad the map does't show the amount of sex offenders or drug dealers living in the neighborhood. You can search online for the sex offenders but it's a bit hard to map out the drug dealers. That is the kind of knowledge you gain by actually living in the area. I see that you live in Youngstown, right? Have you ever lived in Cleveland?

[JR_C]

Originally Posted by xwideopenskyx

I see that you live in Youngstown, right? Have you ever lived in Cleveland?

No. I've recently started a thread about moving to Cleveland, though:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...d-someday.html

It is too bad drug dealers can't be mapped. I wonder if you might be surprised at the number of drug dealers in the 'burbs?

[Alaskapat528]

Originally Posted by JR_C

No. I've recently started a thread about moving to Cleveland, though:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...d-someday.html

It is too bad drug dealers can't be mapped. I wonder if you might be surprised at the number of drug dealers in the 'burbs?

Ah, you know the burbs don't have drug dealers. Yeah right.....

[xwideopenskyx]

Originally Posted by JR_C

No. I've recently started a thread about moving to Cleveland, though:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...d-someday.html

It is too bad drug dealers can't be mapped. I wonder if you might be surprised at the number of drug dealers in the 'burbs?

You can always drive through places like Brecksville, Solon, Hudson, Strongsville, Bay Village etc. and tell me how many dealers are hanging out on street corners or how many houses in those communities are known crackhouses. It's a known fact that suburbanites drive into Cleveland to get their fix.

Anyway, the OP is no longer participating in the discussion she originated. If people choose not to be well informed about a location they are moving to it is their choice to make. I personally never heard of anyone moving anywhere without checking the place out first, especially with children.

You live nearby, so therefore you can get to know the city well enough to make up your own mind. The OP lives in Portland. If talking about crime in a particular area is too negative, so be it. Lets all put our blinders on and ignore reality.

Continuation of this thread is pointless, at this time.

[BelieveInCleve]

I also have to say that dont trust all these crime maps and things 100% or even the crime data. Sadly, crime in Cleveland is much higher than on the city-data page due to mis-reporting and all the crimes that the cops dont show up for or report, not to mention all the crimes that happen and nobody bothers to call the police. The crime maps only show some of the crime that the city reports and sends to them.

Definitely go and check the neighborhood out for yourself and ask around. Drive through the neighborhood in the day and in the night and decide if its the kind of place you want to live.

[Donna7]

Originally Posted by xwideopenskyx

You can always drive through places like Brecksville, Solon, Hudson, Strongsville, Bay Village etc. and tell me how many dealers are hanging out on street corners or how many houses in those communities are known crackhouses. It's a known fact that suburbanites drive into Cleveland to get their fix.

Anyway, the OP is no longer participating in the discussion she originated. If people choose not to be well informed about a location they are moving to it is their choice to make. I personally never heard of anyone moving anywhere without checking the place out first, especially with children.

You live nearby, so therefore you can get to know the city well enough to make up your own mind. The OP lives in Portland. If talking about crime in a particular area is too negative, so be it. Lets all put our blinders on and ignore reality.

Continuation of this thread is pointless, at this time.

I agree with what you've said. I don't think that anyone was trying to be "negative" or down on the original poster. I always love the people that can't stand the heat and then run out of the kitchen, then try to blame the other people for making them do so. Really not fair and not what happened. Cleveland; it is what it is at this present time; there is always hope (and hopefully structured plans) for things to improve. Making a move from Portland, OR to Cleveland, OH WITH KIDS is going to be a life-changing move for all concerned. I don't understand the "defensiveness" attitude at all if people give various opinions. Moving across town in a particular city/state can make all the difference in the world; much less across the country.

***If the original poster is still reading, I wish you the best if you decide to make a move; whether it is Cleveland or anywhere else. Wishing you peace in whatever you decide.