Lorain is a Joke (Cleveland, Youngstown: low crime, most dangerous, vs)

[Samir_Abdul]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

You're also an idiot for thinking Lorain has no gangs. You're intelligent self probably was in Lorain County and mistook it for the actual city... LOL at non existent gangs. Don't be proud you live in the worst city in Ohio, buddy.

dummie i know the difference between lorain county and the city...i've been to there little southside projects..nothing..its nothing dangerous about it..there not even real projects to me..there just some raggedy ass townhouses...but some of ya'll people on here acting like lorain is a warzone...stop it...and i am proud to be from east cleveland..its made me who i am today..i feel as if i can survive anywhere with no problem...i cant help it its a bad city..but its were i was raised and i'm proud of it..nd dont make it like everyone in east cleveland is a criminal because there not.. most people here are working there ****ty ass 9-5 jobs trying to support their family just like everyone else..you sound like some biggot ass white person who only knows about east cleveland through stats and news reports..i actually live here..north taylor rd to be exact..yeah its raggedy ass hell, but all and all nothing is really going on over here...

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Samir_Abdul

dummie i know the difference between lorain county and the city...i've been to there little southside projects..nothing..its nothing dangerous about it..there not even real projects to me..there just some raggedy ass townhouses...but some of ya'll people on here acting like lorain is a warzone...stop it...and i am proud to be from east cleveland..its made me who i am today..i feel as if i can survive anywhere with no problem...i cant help it its a bad city..but its were i was raised and i'm proud of it..nd dont make it like everyone in east cleveland is a criminal because there not.. most people here are working there ****ty ass 9-5 jobs trying to support their family just like everyone else..you sound like some biggot ass white person who only knows about east cleveland through stats and news reports..i actually live here..north taylor rd to be exact..yeah its raggedy ass hell, but all and all nothing is really going on over here...

Samir_Abdul, honestly you dont really have credibilty saying that Lorain is "nothing" or "suburban" just from the fact that your from East Cleveland. Thats what your used to, so obviously Lorain isnt going to look like a horrible place to you. Really no place is. Even you should be able to see that. East Cleveland is one of the worst places in the country. And yes I know about East Cleveland. Like I said, Ive been there more than a few times and have been down nearly every street in that city. I went there a lot from the short time on was living with a friend near E85th and Superior. Im also half puerto rican.

Those projects your speaking of are probably southside gardens. That whole area of Lorain is nothing but projects. Thats only the start though. Theres more projects throughout the Westside and Central and even some of the Eastside. Most of them have been renovated recently though. Lorains projects looked horrible in the old days. Again, Lorain is not nearly as bad as East Cleveland, but compared to average, these areas are horrible. Ive been to a lot of areas throughout the country and seen a lot of places, I know what "average" looks like and Lorain is a lot worse than average. Again, Im not saying its the worst place ever, but yeah, Lorain is rough. This is my home, I grew up mostly here, so Im always gonna love it though.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Samir_Abdul

dummie i know the difference between lorain county and the city...i've been to there little southside projects..nothing..its nothing dangerous about it..there not even real projects to me..there just some raggedy ass townhouses....

lol!

[WeSoHood]

Anyone who doesn't think Lorain has rough areas is completely delusional. Just because your city is horrible in terms of crime - doesn't mean anything less is 'safe'. I myself know two friends from Lorain who have been murdered. If the city was such a glorious and nice place - I wouldn't have lost my friends.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

lol!

Seriously Hillside, why do you contiously disrespect Lorain? You know nothing about it, you even admitted yourself youve been here barely 1 time. The only person that said it wasnt bad is from East Cleveland for christs sake. I dont stoop to your level and disrespect Hamilton all the time, and I actually know about Hamilton, and have been through all of it a few times...

40% minority, and 26% poverty rate...how is that going to be safe? I was going to attack you, but I wont. This is all I ask of you: Learn about the reputation of Lorain, see and experience this city firsthand extensively. Then, and only then, can you talk about the city. And trust me, you wont talk the same way then as you do now, trust me...If you want to know the spots, Ill tell you. Your talking to a person that has seen many many crimes in the city, I lived here during the worst period of gangs violence/murders, been jumped, stabbed, attacked, robbed a few times. That happened to everybody where I lived. I struggled in a life of poverty and crime for a long time. Ive had friends/family overdose on drugs, get killed, and some who are now serving prison sentences. Ive been directly shot at 2 times in the city, which could have easily taken my life. Does that stuff happen in a "safe" or "average crime rate" city, I dont think so. This is not some made up speach Im saying, its a true story, noone else can tell my story, and nobody can tell me that Lorain is safe. Im not exaggerating, and Im not saying its the worst place in the world or is all horrible like that and I love the city, but Lorain is rough, bottom line. Please learn about the city and have some respect when you talk about Lorain, thank you.

[mrkool]

Originally Posted by Samir_Abdul

..you sound like some biggot ass white person who only ...

Wow.. here's an intelligent statement.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Seriously Hillside, why do you contiously disrespect Lorain? You know nothing about it, you even admitted yourself youve been here barely 1 time. The only person that said it wasnt bad is from East Cleveland for christs sake. I dont stoop to your level and disrespect Hamilton all the time, and I actually know about Hamilton, and have been through all of it a few times...

40% minority, and 26% poverty rate...how is that going to be safe? I was going to attack you, but I wont. This is all I ask of you: Learn about the reputation of Lorain, see and experience this city firsthand extensively. Then, and only then, can you talk about the city. And trust me, you wont talk the same way then as you do now, trust me...If you want to know the spots, Ill tell you. Your talking to a person that has seen many many crimes in the city, I lived here during the worst period of gangs violence/murders, been jumped, stabbed, attacked, robbed a few times. That happened to everybody where I lived. I struggled in a life of poverty and crime for a long time. Ive had friends/family overdose on drugs, get killed, and some who are now serving prison sentences. Ive been directly shot at 2 times in the city, which could have easily taken my life. Does that stuff happen in a "safe" or "average crime rate" city, I dont think so. This is not some made up speach Im saying, its a true story, noone else can tell my story, and nobody can tell me that Lorain is safe. Im not exaggerating, and Im not saying its the worst place in the world or is all horrible like that and I love the city, but Lorain is rough, bottom line. Please learn about the city and have some respect when you talk about Lorain, thank you.

"i was going to attack you, but i won't". you just did.

what do you know about hamilton? that it's crime rate is twice as high as lorain? look, lorain probably isn't safe, but c'mon, hamilton?! be glad you don't live in hamilton. I am.

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read the description of lorain's crime, then hamilton's.

i hope i just ended this.

why don't you post some pics of lorain?

[BelieveInCleve]

Bottomline, you have no idea what your talking about and your just trying to annoy me now.

I dont understand why you cant get this through your head, There are no reliable stats for Lorain crime online, period. Im not making this up, Lorain PD is one of the most corrupt police forces in the country. I know for a fact that those stats are WAY below what the actual crime rate is. The only ones close to accurate that I have seen are the ones that I already posted. Those would have put Lorains city-data crime index at near 780 (est.).

I know a lot more about Hamilton than you do about Lorain. You admitted youve been to Lorain 1 time and barely looked around...are you serious? Am I the only person hearing this guy??? and the rest of the information your getting is from stats online that are nowhere close to being accurate. Like I said, I lived in Cincinnati for 8 months combined in the past. Ive been through every area of Hamilton a few times, mostly from when I was working a summer job near Cincinnati and my cousin took me through there. My cousin also lived in an area of East Hamilton for a short time, hes also lived in Lorain. He knows for a fact that Lorain is worse. Speaking of that, I hinted the comparison of the 2 cities to him when we were first having this argument in here, he thought it was hilarious that somebody could think Hamilton is that ghetto, he said something on the lines of "that guy mustve lived in the suburbs his whole life", so yeah, thats not looking good for you. Your on here exaggerating about Hamilton. Its not that rough, and definitely not as rough as Lorain. Thats just first-hand, but the actual stats speak for themself: Hamilton: 10% minority, 13% poverty...vs. Lorain: 40% minority, 26% poverty. Lorain had 9 murders last year, Hamilton had 1. Those links arent impressive in the least, there is someone shot or stabbed in Lorain daily, really. Lorain is worse than Hamilton in every category including crime, thats a fact. This is going to keep going on until you admit that your wrong, or just stop posting in here. You already know my position and its the truth, so Im not going to change it. So either keep arguing, admit that your wrong, or stop posting. Your choice.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Bottomline, you have no idea what your talking about and your just trying to annoy me now.

I dont understand why you cant get this through your head, There are no reliable stats for Lorain crime online, period. Im not making this up, Lorain PD is one of the most corrupt police forces in the country. I know for a fact that those stats are WAY below what the actual crime rate is. The only ones close to accurate that I have seen are the ones that I already posted. Those would have put Lorains city-data crime index at near 780 (est.).

I know a lot more about Hamilton than you do about Lorain. You admitted youve been to Lorain 1 time and barely looked around...are you serious? Am I the only person hearing this guy??? and the rest of the information your getting is from stats online that are nowhere close to being accurate. Like I said, I lived in Cincinnati for 8 months combined in the past. Ive been through every area of Hamilton a few times, mostly from when I was working a summer job near Cincinnati and my cousin took me through there. My cousin also lived in an area of East Hamilton for a short time, hes also lived in Lorain. He knows for a fact that Lorain is worse. Speaking of that, I hinted the comparison of the 2 cities to him when we were first having this argument in here, he thought it was hilarious that somebody could think Hamilton is that ghetto, he said something on the lines of "that guy mustve lived in the suburbs his whole life", so yeah, thats not looking good for you. Your on here exaggerating about Hamilton. Its not that rough, and definitely not as rough as Lorain. Thats just first-hand, but the actual stats speak for themself: Hamilton: 10% minority, 13% poverty...vs. Lorain: 40% minority, 26% poverty. Lorain had 9 murders last year, Hamilton had 1. Those links arent impressive in the least, there is someone shot or stabbed in Lorain daily, really. Lorain is worse than Hamilton in every category including crime, thats a fact. This is going to keep going on until you admit that your wrong, or just stop posting in here. You already know my position and its the truth, so Im not going to change it. So either keep arguing, admit that your wrong, or stop posting. Your choice.

provide some stats or stop running your mouth. i'm putting up, so do that or...

if lorain's stats are SO OFF, why don't you write your congressman and let him in on this. tell him lorain needs help, and the low stats aren't helping lorain get money for critical programs to save the lives of youth growing up in this cesspool. hell, call up the cincinnati enquirer and demand a high-profile correction for perpetuating bad stats for the city of lorain. FACT IS, i have proof and you don't. you can't stand it, so you attempt to discredit me. let's look at the insults -

you insulted my intelligence.
you suggested i'm not from the hood.
you suggested that my links were invalid, yet you have nothing to contribute.

i really don't get this. the one guy who talks the most about proof never has any. oh, wait. now i do.

you keep bringing up race. why are you such a racist? either that, or you're just that ignorant. if you truly study the urban problem, attended a class, or even cracked one book, you would know that equating race to crime is in itself perpetuating a social construction. this is all BEFORE the real factors are discussed, such as housing, the economic/racial history of the neighborhood, transportation, education, zoning, etc. i can recommend some good reads.

lorain has a high poverty rate, but somehow i don't think that entitles you to be the city with the most crime. buffalo, miami, milwaukee...there's three cities right there in the nation's top 10 poorest, and i can name two major ohio cities with comparable poverty but even MORE crime. i really wish you'd say some of these tidbits you type aloud, just to save us all some time.

cle440- the same guy that said he'd never seen a hispanic person in hamilton, and they virtually don't exist there. this claim disqualifies any peripheral knowledge of hamilton you may have had.

is there a reason why you're sticking to your position so firmly, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

[BelieveInCleve]

I said as long as you were arguing I wouldnt stop, we can do this all day.

Provide some stats? I already did. The Cincinnati Enquirer took those stats from the ones that were released, which are the same on city-data and everywhere else you are looking. Not to mention that was in 2001.

Now your calling me a racist...you keep stooping lower and lower hillside, its not looking good for you. First of all Im half puerto rican and had friends of all races growing up, mostly black and puerto rican. If youve studied urban areas for more than a day you would know that some races are much more likely to commit crimes. Those same races are more targeted by most police than other races. What that basically means in case you dont know is that blacks and hispanics are not only more likely to commit crimes in general, but their more likely to be arrested/convicted of those crimes which would add more reported crimes and ultimately make the crime rate higher. People in poverty are also much more likely to commit crimes than people who arent. So being that Lorain is 40% black/hispanic and has a poverty rate of 26%,would make it nearly impossible in this country today, that Hamilton, which is 10% black/hispanic and has a poverty rate of 13% could possibly have a higher crime rate. Your supposed to know about urban areas, didnt that ever cross your mind?

As I said before. I saw little, if any, hispanics in Hamilton. If you seriously think that Hamilton has a large hispanic community, you seriously need to get out more. You didnt provide any evidence to the contrary, and Im sticking to my position because I know what Ive been through and I know the truth. Lorain is a rough city, with a crime rate much higher than the US average, its also worse than Hamilton in nearly every category if not all. Thats the truth.