Lorain is a Joke (Cleveland, Cincinnati: foreclosures, high crime, unemployment)

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

cle440,

all you did was show a bunch of s**** local rappers, and in that thug city video, if dude is bangin blue so hard, why is it so much red in the back crowd? sounds like fake thug city, but thanks for the laugh.

All I did was show you a few videos to let you know what the mentality of a lot of people around here is. These are not fake youtube/internet gangsters, whatever you want to call them. None of them are, trust me on that.

The main guy in the thug city video is serving a 14 year prison sentence right now. And some of the guys in the back might not even be crips. What I do know is that almost all the people in that video are part of the 9 Milly/MA Zone gang/organization from the Southside of Elyria (ThugCity), theres members in Cleveland also. Its like 200 strong. Some people in the gang are crips, some are not. Theres people from ABM, MOB, Crips, Cleveland, a lot of gangs in MA-Zone. Are you seriously trying to call this place "fake thug City"? Your talking about the southside of Elyria here, a girl was shot in the head and killed with an AK-47 a few months ago at Gas USA, crime is out of control down there and has been for years, thats where I lived when I wasnt in Lorain growing up. Theres been real riots before, a few murders every year. Its no joke. Ive lived down there in periods where there was gunshots on an almost nightly basis. Not just handguns either, Ive heard Uzis, tech 9s, sawed-off shot guns, AKs, almost every gun you can think of. Fights all day, bums and crackheads, drug dealers roaming the streets. Theres a big presence of people/drug gangs from Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit down there. Its not the worst place, but Im not exaggerating at all. Honestly, you know nothing about anyplace in NE Ohio. So please never talk about a place unless you know about it.

[BelieveInCleve]

On another note,

Im 27 years old. I have no reason what-so-ever to exaggerate, and especially lie, about any place or person around here. If I tell you something about a place or person, its going to be the truth, whether you want to accept it or not.

I was born on the westside of Cleveland, I even lived off Superior on the Eastside for a short time. Ive been to ghettos all across the country (Detroit, Cleveland, East Cleveland, Camden, Chicago, Harlem, South Bronx, etc.), I know what bad is. Ive also been to good and "average" places throughout the country. And with knowing all that, Lorain is a lot worse than average. So is the Southside of Elyria (Elyria as a whole isnt that bad). The crime in both those areas is also really high. Im not saying its the worst in the country, or anywhere as bad as East Cleveland, Detroit, etc. some place like that, but yes it is bad and a lot worse than average. Thats all Im saying. This thread is supposed to be about Lorain and how bad the city has gotten and the poor choices it has made. I would appreciate if we get back on topic. If you want to keep going with the current argument, go ahead. Ive told my side over and over again, which is the truth, accept it or not, as I said I have no reason to lie about anything. But honestly this is going nowhere. If you dont know about Lorain or dont want to know about it, please dont post in here, thank you.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

All I did was show you a few videos to let you know what the mentality of a lot of people around here is. These are not fake youtube/internet gangsters, whatever you want to call them. None of them are, trust me on that.

The main guy in the thug city video is serving a 14 year prison sentence right now. And some of the guys in the back might not even be crips. What I do know is that almost all the people in that video are part of the 9 Milly/MA Zone gang/organization from the Southside of Elyria (ThugCity), theres members in Cleveland also. Its like 200 strong. Some people in the gang are crips, some are not. Theres people from ABM, MOB, Crips, Cleveland, a lot of gangs in MA-Zone. Are you seriously trying to call this place "fake thug City"? Your talking about the southside of Elyria here, a girl was shot in the head and killed with an AK-47 a few months ago at Gas USA, crime is out of control down there and has been for years, thats where I lived when I wasnt in Lorain growing up. Theres been real riots before, a few murders every year. Its no joke. Ive lived down there in periods where there was gunshots on an almost nightly basis. Not just handguns either, Ive heard Uzis, tech 9s, sawed-off shot guns, AKs, almost every gun you can think of. Fights all day, bums and crackheads, drug dealers roaming the streets. Theres a big presence of people/drug gangs from Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit down there. Its not the worst place, but Im not exaggerating at all. Honestly, you know nothing about anyplace in NE Ohio. So please never talk about a place unless you know about it.

i was calling the "thug city" clique some fake thugs. why would you go on the internet banging rags and dry snitching on yourself? the dudes who were talking/rapping were banging blue flags. the dudes in the back had red shirts on. how does that fly?

the mere fact that lorain has a bunch of crips and bloods (LA gangs) doesn't look good for the locals.

all that stuff you listed about guns and fights is not limited to lorain.

you just told on yourself. if cleveland/chicago/detroit gangs and hustlers are in YOUR town getting money, then your town ain't that tough. lol

out-of-towners shouldn't be allowed to come into your town if your town is really holding it down. hamilton sent LA home way back in the 90's, and nobody's came there since.

you said there's no hispanics in hamilton. to me, that means you don't have a clue about hamilton, and may have never been in your life. you don't have to get out or drive anywhere specific to see hispanics in hamilton. they're everywhere.

[BelieveInCleve]

Okay now Im sure that you have no idea what your talking about.

- I already explained that to you. Just because you have a blue flag doesnt mean your a crip, theres other gangs that wear blue. And like I said, M A-Zone is just a huge gang started on the southside of Elyria. Theres people who are originally from other gangs or in other gangs all together in that gang. And just because you have a red shirt on doesnt automatically mean your a blood. Im assuming you didnt grow up by gangs, just an observation.

- How doesnt that look good for the locals? There is every major gang present in Lorain, along with your average local street gangs. Cleveland, Columbus, NYC, every major city in America has some presence of crips and bloods.

- First of all I was talking about Elyria, and I never said it was limited to Elyria and Lorain. But the truth is, that stuff doesnt go down in nice neighborhoods, or even average neighborhoods. If you hear Uzi/tech nine gunfire in your neighborhood ever really, your either in a warzone or deep in the hood.

- What are you talking about? Its all family around here. Just the same way I was born in Cleveland and have connections there, its the same way with people down there with Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit. You really dont know much.

- Here you go with the same argument again. How am I going to change my position if its the truth and what I saw first hand? Like I said over and over again, I saw little, if any, hispanics in Hamilton. Im not saying theres no hispanics at all, but there is no sense of hispanic community down there and there is definitely nothing close to "entire hispanic neighborhoods" like you said. That was hilarious. Other than my first-hand observations and my cousin, the stats speak for themself. How does 2% hispanic= "entire hispanic neighborhoods"? Especially with a city of 60K? Ive been through Hamilton a couple of times, lived in Cincinnati, and my cousin actually lived in East Hamilton for a short time. Any false things you say about it on here can easily be corrected by me, or if I ask my cousin. Lorain, Cleveland, Chicago, those are some cities in the midwest that have hispanic neighborhoods and some sense of community/culture. No place in SW Ohio is anything like that, theres some hispanics, but hardly any. Ask anybody down there whos not bias like you, and actually knows about other areas, and theyll tell you the same. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...e=on&-_lang=en
No county in SW Ohio is even 1.5% hispanic...the only real hispanic community in Ohio is in Northern Ohio.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Okay now Im sure that you have no idea what your talking about.

- I already explained that to you. Just because you have a blue flag doesnt mean your a crip, theres other gangs that wear blue. And like I said, M A-Zone is just a huge gang started on the southside of Elyria. Theres people who are originally from other gangs or in other gangs all together in that gang. And just because you have a red shirt on doesnt automatically mean your a blood. Im assuming you didnt grow up by gangs, just an observation.

- How doesnt that look good for the locals? There is every major gang present in Lorain, along with your average local street gangs. Cleveland, Columbus, NYC, every major city in America has some presence of crips and bloods.

- First of all I was talking about Elyria, and I never said it was limited to Elyria and Lorain. But the truth is, that stuff doesnt go down in nice neighborhoods, or even average neighborhoods. If you hear Uzi/tech nine gunfire in your neighborhood ever really, your either in a warzone or deep in the hood.

- What are you talking about? Its all family around here. Just the same way I was born in Cleveland and have connections there, its the same way with people down there with Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit. You really dont know much.

- Here you go with the same argument again. How am I going to change my position if its the truth and what I saw first hand? Like I said over and over again, I saw little, if any, hispanics in Hamilton. Im not saying theres no hispanics at all, but there is no sense of hispanic community down there and there is definitely nothing close to "entire hispanic neighborhoods" like you said. That was hilarious. Other than my first-hand observations and my cousin, the stats speak for themself. How does 2% hispanic= "entire hispanic neighborhoods"? Especially with a city of 60K? Ive been through Hamilton a couple of times, lived in Cincinnati, and my cousin actually lived in East Hamilton for a short time. Any false things you say about it on here can easily be corrected by me, or if I ask my cousin. Lorain, Cleveland, Chicago, those are some cities in the midwest that have hispanic neighborhoods and some sense of community/culture. No place in SW Ohio is anything like that, theres some hispanics, but hardly any. Ask anybody down there whos not bias like you, and actually knows about other areas, and theyll tell you the same. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ThematicMapFramesetServlet?_bm=y&-PANEL_ID=tm_result&-_MapEvent=displayBy&-tm_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_M00085&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&-tm_config=|b=50|l=en|t=4001|zf=0.0|ms=thm_def|dw=1 0.50392852716582|dh=5.971172444355728|dt=gov.censu s.aff.domain.map.EnglishMapExtent|if=gif|cx=-82.66958249999999|cy=40.190285|zl=8|pz=8|bo=|bl=|f t=350:349:335:389:388:332:331|fl=403:381:204:380:3 69:379:368|g=04000US39|ds=DEC_2000_SF1_U|sb=50|tud =false|db=400|mn=0.1|mx=12.8|cc=1|cm=1|cn=5|cb=|um =Percent|pr=1|th=DEC_2000_SF1_U_M00085|sf=N|sg=&-redoLog=false&-errMsg=&-geo_id=04000US39&-_dBy=050&-_sse=on&-_lang=en
No county in SW Ohio is even 1.5% hispanic...the only real hispanic community in Ohio is in Northern Ohio.

alright man, this is pathetic. i'm withdrawing myself from this nonsense because it's officially irrelevant. you talk northern ohio this, northern ohio that, but northern ohio ain't 'nothin but another city. not ny. not miami. cleveland.

and all this hard city **** man get a clue. downtown cincinnati = worst neighborhood in ohio. i'm old school, so when i'm visiting a city, i want my hosts to take me to the armpit so i can see how people really live deep in the city. nothing like that exists anywhere else in ohio.

one day you're a stat boy, next day they're so far off it should be obvious to the entire free world that lorain is the most dangerous and diverse city in america in the metro area of the biggest, most important, dense, culturally diverse and entertaining city in ohio and all of the midwest except chicago.

[WeSoHood]

LOL Cinci has some GRIMEY areas.. but in no way is it the worst area in Ohio. I'll take you to some areas in Youngstown, or Cleveland that will leave you in awe. Seriously I will if you come up north! My dudes from Washington DC (about 3 times as dangerous as Cinci) tell me Cleveland is the GRIMIEST city theyve seen.

You want real hoods? Cleveland, Detroit, Youngstown, Flint, Gary, St Louis, Baltimore

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by hillside

alright man, this is pathetic. i'm withdrawing myself from this nonsense because it's officially irrelevant. you talk northern ohio this, northern ohio that, but northern ohio ain't 'nothin but another city. not ny. not miami. cleveland.

and all this hard city **** man get a clue. downtown cincinnati = worst neighborhood in ohio. i'm old school, so when i'm visiting a city, i want my hosts to take me to the armpit so i can see how people really live deep in the city. nothing like that exists anywhere else in ohio.

one day you're a stat boy, next day they're so far off it should be obvious to the entire free world that lorain is the most dangerous and diverse city in america in the metro area of the biggest, most important, dense, culturally diverse and entertaining city in ohio and all of the midwest except chicago.

Yes Hillside, let it all out!!!
I can almost feel your anger and denial when you wrote that post. The truth gets you really upset doesnt it? I almost feel guilty laughing on your behalf.

But you still want more arguments. Heres some more truth thats going to upset you yet again. Downtown Cincinnati is in no way, shape, or form, the "worst neighborhood in Ohio". You do realize you just said "downtown" right? Where in the world did you come up with that? Even saying OTR would be a big exaggeration (Im assuming you were including that in downtown though...). Cincinnati can get rough, but no. Cleveland/East Cleveland and Youngstown at the very least, have areas worse than that. Columbus possibly even does.

And here you go stooping even lower and attacking Cleveland because of your own insecurities. I dont believe I said anything putting down Cincinnati on this thread. And now that you mention it, the Cleveland area is a very unique area. Most cities are unique in their own way, and Cleveland is no exception. Overall, I do consider it close to second in the midwest in a lot of categories. Whats better overall? Chicago of course, but what else? The only others close are Twin Cities, and maybe St. Louis and Detroit. You really showed your true colors on that post...

[hillside]

Originally Posted by WeSoHood

LOL Cinci has some GRIMEY areas.. but in no way is it the worst area in Ohio. I'll take you to some areas in Youngstown, or Cleveland that will leave you in awe. Seriously I will if you come up north! My dudes from Washington DC (about 3 times as dangerous as Cinci) tell me Cleveland is the GRIMIEST city theyve seen.

You want real hoods? Cleveland, Detroit, Youngstown, Flint, Gary, St Louis, Baltimore

riiight....i've YET to see an area with as much concentrated blight, crime, violence, congregation, and open air dealing for a 95% abandoned neighborhood. riots, police killings, an amazing concentration of social services, homelessness and poverty...c'mon now. you CANNOT miss OTR. i've been to almost every really dangerous city, including d.c. there is no otr in detroit, cleveland, st. louis or washington. washington is really bad, but cincinnati and washington have had similar crime rates the last several years. please, man.

[hillside]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Yes Hillside, let it all out!!!
I can almost feel your anger and denial when you wrote that post. The truth gets you really upset doesnt it? I almost feel guilty laughing on your behalf.

But you still want more arguments. Heres some more truth thats going to upset you yet again. Downtown Cincinnati is in no way, shape, or form, the "worst neighborhood in Ohio". You do realize you just said "downtown" right? Where in the world did you come up with that? Even saying OTR would be a big exaggeration (Im assuming you were including that in downtown though...). Cincinnati can get rough, but no. Cleveland/East Cleveland and Youngstown at the very least, have areas worse than that. Columbus possibly even does.

And here you go stooping even lower and attacking Cleveland because of your own insecurities. I dont believe I said anything putting down Cincinnati on this thread. And now that you mention it, the Cleveland area is a very unique area. Most cities are unique in their own way, and Cleveland is no exception. Overall, I do consider it close to second in the midwest in a lot of categories. Whats better overall? Chicago of course, but what else? The only others close are Twin Cities, and maybe St. Louis and Detroit. You really showed your true colors on that post...

i showed my true colors by repeating things you always say? LMAO

downtown is what cincinnatians call otr and the west end. "down da way"...

[vicket]

I was born in Lorain and lived and worked in Lorain County. Lorain has had it tough since the 70's. In my 30 years of working in the city of Lorain, I saw blight and abandoned houses and crime grow continuously.
The major problem in Lorain is that the people tend to be suspicious and narrow minded, never get out to see how other people live, and are scared to death of change.
On the flip side, they are fun loving and generous and would be there in a heartbeat to help someone in need.
Kind of a funny place, my home town. It's got it's flaws, but it has its good points, too.