Lifelong Republican for Obama/Biden (Ada, Anna: credit card, houses, transfer)

[jfre81]

Originally Posted by AndyF667

So by being a libertarian, which calls for no oversight whatsoever

This is basically why I don't claim the "libertarian" label, even though on most other levels (particularly on social issues) I fit in rather neatly with them.

What we have is in large part the result of foxes being allowed to guard the henhouse.

[AnnaLeeLee]

I got my quote from his wife herself when she was introducing him at some function. It apparently caused a bit of stir. She said something to the effect of "He's my best friend, my husband, my baby's daddy, Barack Obama!"

Don't get me wrong, I love Obama. I will be the first in line to vote on November 4th and the first to celebrate when he is elected. I was trying to settle down the arguers and debaters who think it's their life purpose to show everyone else how wrong they are.

One day politics will be a private conversation in which speaking out loud would be considered offensive and rude.

People just need to shut up and vote. The same with religion... shut up and pray. There are no two people in this world who are of the same opinion on every single issue out there. There will always be some sort of confict of opinion.

[OhioNative]

Originally Posted by AndyF667

So by being a libertarian, which calls for no oversight whatsoever, Wall Street would behave better? Um, look what they did with minimal oversight.

No, look what they did with a goverment bailout. The institutions that were greedy and gave loans to people who were not able to pay them back should have been allowed to fail.

[AndyF667]

Originally Posted by OhioNative

No, look what they did with a goverment bailout. The institutions that were greedy and gave loans to people who were not able to pay them back should have been allowed to fail.

Intrinsically I agree with libertarianism. But, it's a big butt, people tend to fail. And without oversight, a la deregulation of the banking/insurance/finance industries, human greed blew the cause. Be it the banks lending to, shall we say financially uncertain parties, or banks buying these bundled crap loans.
Unfortunately, a certain amount of regulation is needed to keep these folks in power in check, as well as protect unqualified loan recipients from themselves.
It's sad to see McFailin squirm with his own platform of less govt intervention and sign on to the bail out.
They should all take a look at how Third Federal runs their bank.

[Huckleberry3911948]

you are a life long patriot. i salute you.
obama 08

[ottomobeale]

The OP is highly unlikely to be a lifelong Republican. It just makes for an interesting post.

>I am outraged at the irresponsibility of the GOP's reprehensible and shameful use of misinformation to divide our country <

is pure Democratic propaganda.

Both sides have done tons of destruction and attack ads. Not just the GOP.

[firefightermom]

I usually don't argue politics, but I have to point out something: out of the 4, Palin is the only one to ever hold executive office, therefore she is actully more qualified than the others.

I certainly don't like a lot of what Palin stands for as a woman, but she is certainly not stupid, and it's insulting when people say she is...just because she's a woman? How ridiculous!! She wouldn't have gotten very far if she were as dense as people make her to be. It's the usual stereotype that an attractive woman certainly can't have brains! Think about it. Sounds similar to the arguments back in the 1920's and before about why women shouldn't have the right to vote...

Obama has great things to say and has great ideas, with no money to pay for it. He is a complete socialist and wants to distribue the wealth. I saw on his Obamerical last night that he thinks people who make 200,000 or less are middle class...I don't know, but if I made 200,000, I certainly wouldn't need any help! I may lots less and I don't expect any help. I don't need to pay more taxes so my money can pay for lazy people who feel entitled. Tell me about that Ford worker...he's at a restaurant with his family when his work has been cut? Please! If he was really hurting, he and his wife should be clipping coupons and eating at home! Restaurants are a luxury, people, even if it is a fast food joint or cheap dive!
Why should I have to pay for someone's else's mistakes? I paid for my own education, my health insurance, my child care, my mortgage, rent, etc. If you can't afford it, don't do it. Get a loan. Have good credit so you can get a loan. Be responsible for yourself. Don't ask the government for everything!
That's my rant, hopefully it will make some people who are undecided think about it.

[AndyF667]

Originally Posted by firefightermom

I usually don't argue politics, but I have to point out something: out of the 4, Palin is the only one to ever hold executive office, therefore she is actully more qualified than the others.
I certainly don't like a lot of what Palin stands for as a woman, but she is certainly not stupid, and it's insulting when people say she is...just because she's a woman? How ridiculous!! She wouldn't have gotten very far if she were as dense as people make her to be. It's the usual stereotype that an attractive woman certainly can't have brains! Think about it. Sounds similar to the arguments back in the 1920's and before about why women shouldn't have the right to vote...
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Thanks for posting.
No she is not qualified, even with her experience as the Governor of Alaska. And is not because she is a woman. She might be savvy, but I don't think she is smart. Ya think she could learn VP responsibilities in 3 months. Nope. She is similar to Bush, not the brightest, but pretty good politicians. Same for Dan Quayle. See they are both men (I think), and not so smart. The Suffragette movement was one of the working class women trying to achieve a economic/social balance. I've never heard an argument that the woman's right to vote was driven by those pretty pretty women.
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Obama has great things to say and has great ideas, with no money to pay for it. He is a complete socialist and wants to distribue the wealth. I saw on his Obamerical last night that he thinks people who make 200,000 or less are middle class...I don't know, but if I made 200,000, I certainly wouldn't need any help! I may lots less and I don't expect any help. I don't need to pay more taxes so my money can pay for lazy people who feel entitled.
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You see your last sentence is interesting, you say you don't need to pay more to help the poor (entitled). But if you are making less then 200K, you will not being paying more, you will be paying less. Those above will pay more so you can keep yours or spend or whatever. If you are making less than 200K how does McCain's tax cut for the wealthy help you? If you make less than 200K, does his plan to lower capital gains help you too? Is that you Joe the Plumber? Please explain
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Tell me about that Ford worker...he's at a restaurant with his family when his work has been cut? Please! If he was really hurting, he and his wife should be clipping coupons and eating at home! Restaurants are a luxury, people, even if it is a fast food joint or cheap dive!
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I agree 100%. At least we didn't see him put it on a credit card.
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Why should I have to pay for someone's else's mistakes? I paid for my own education, my health insurance, my child care, my mortgage, rent, etc. If you can't afford it, don't do it. Get a loan. Have good credit so you can get a loan. Be responsible for yourself. Don't ask the government for everything!
That's my rant, hopefully it will make some people who are undecided think about it. [/quote]
Free speech is wonderful.
Congratulations on becoming a success on your own. Too bad you feel like anyone who isn't is basically a loser.
I doubt you will sway anyone besides the choir.

[firefightermom]

I never said I was a success on my own...your interpretation in incorrect. Also, the Suffragette movement was for all women, not the working class. Why is she not qualified? Explain exactly why you don't think so.
Yes, free speech in wonderful...

[AndyF667]

Originally Posted by firefightermom

I never said I was a success on my own...your interpretation in incorrect. Also, the Suffragette movement was for all women, not the working class. Why is she not qualified? Explain exactly why you don't think so.
Yes, free speech in wonderful...

Sorry, this quote from your previous post made me think that you pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps: "I paid for my own education, my health insurance, my child care, my mortgage, rent, etc. "

I agree the Suffragette movement was for all women. Smart, stupid, pretty, ugly, etc.. My previous post should have read: started by.

Qualifications? How about name a few? Mayor?(Wasilla!?!----as mayor she wasnt even in charge of the police/fire dept's. No input on school: Understanding Real America in Wasilla | The Daily Show | Comedy Central ). Govenator? Bridge to nowhere? Troopergate? Natural Gas Pipeline(fixed bidding)? Russia out my window?

The reason they picked her is not because she is smart, nor is she dumb. They wanted to energize the party (which they did) and hopefully steal Hillary voters (which they didnt), even though her political platform is the antithesis of Hillary. They locked in the bible thumpers, who for some reason keep voting against their own economic interests.

She is the Clarence Thomas of the General Election.