cleveland: can it be saved? (Parma, Toronto: high crime, unemployment, buy)

[sandlotbully2]

Cleveland can be saved once we start dealing aggressively with thugs and drug dealers. Until then, expect nothing to change.

[WeSoHood]

Originally Posted by sandlotbully2

Cleveland can be saved once we start dealing aggressively with thugs and drug dealers. Until then, expect nothing to change.

I'd say that increasing jobs and creating a solid school system would be the best bet.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by sandlotbully2

Cleveland can be saved once we start dealing aggressively with thugs and drug dealers. Until then, expect nothing to change.

Considering what we do already, what do you mean by "aggressively?" Shoot them on the spot?

Oh wait, we already do that.

[jmlicb]

Drug and thugs are not our problem a lot of cities have that problem, ie: ATL NYC LA. Our problem is the lack of leadership in city hall to stimulate the economy. We have a huge work force and we have technological advantages when it comes to medicine and computers we just have nobody to lead it. This City deserves a Batman, a leader to come in and not buy into all this corruption and political game handling.

[revels4454]

Yes, Cleveland, or any other city, can be saved. And Cleveland is certainly worth it. But if people keep damaging it by words and deeds, including a lack of optimism, it will be a lot tougher.

[twange]

Of course Cleveland can be saved. But it takes guts and quality leadership.

Shrink the city of Cleveland and try to incorporate/annex some of the inner-ring suburbs. Regionalism is the way to go. I know that some people won't like that, but as Cleveland goes, so does Lakewood, Cleveland Hts, Brooklyn, etc...

Clear out the abandoned(and decrepit) factories, preserve the solid ones and use them as monuments and ruins that tell the story of Cleveland's history as a 19th and early 20th century manufacturing juggernaut. In the cleared areas, plant fast-growing trees(poplar), which can be harvested for use in a sustainable manner while also creating urban parks and greenspace. Renovate any downtown houses and apartments that can be saved and create small, walkable, tight-knit neighborhoods with useful amenities that encourage artists, bohemians, students, empty-nesters and/or young bourgeois professionals to live there by keeping prices low(rent-control, co-ops etc...)There is some of that going on but it doesn't take hold because there's barely any amenities nearby. Only build new condos/houses as the need arises. The "build it they will come" theory won't work in a city so broken. It's got to start grass roots. Which takes a very long time. The seeds you plant today will bloom in 20 years.

And for God's sake, get rid of the Lakefront airport and make the Lake the focus of the city and accessible to the general public.

[sandlotbully2]

Originally Posted by jmlicb

Drug and thugs are not our problem a lot of cities have that problem, ie: ATL NYC LA. Our problem is the lack of leadership in city hall to stimulate the economy. We have a huge work force and we have technological advantages when it comes to medicine and computers we just have nobody to lead it. This City deserves a Batman, a leader to come in and not buy into all this corruption and political game handling.

You're right and this is certainly one of many avenues that must be addressed. Leadership is downstream of the basic social structual problem.... family breakdown. Central to this is the drug problem/alcoholism etc.Until that is addressed, it will be difficult for any leader to lead. Not a simple problem to address, but clearly addressing drug dealers and thugs is a start. The hand holding, basketball courts and social workers provided to them for years has never worked. A zero tolerance policy works and where it has been implemented demonstrates the results. When we stop wishing and " asking" to have our streets back and move in a take them back, the city will begin to regain respect and a comfort level for many to return. Some think this is overly aggressive, but dealing with sociopaths and animals that do not understand basic respect for self and others has limited, effective options.

It needs to be a multi systemic intervention. I'm just suggesting that dealing with taking out the trash first is a starting point. The people in the city are tired of it and are moving toward regaining a once beautiful city. I'm confident, over time, the city will be back and rid itself of the waste.

[Chef Boyardee]

Crime: Segregation, Zoning, etc works. Bona Fide Christian Morality works. Capital Punishment works. Conceal and Carry works.

Jobs: Tariffs work. Low taxes work. Independent Business works (over-regulation, government pushing unions, affirmative action and health care mandates all strip business of autonomy).

[jmlicb]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

Crime: Segregation, Zoning, etc works. Bona Fide Christian Morality works. Capital Punishment works. Conceal and Carry works.

Jobs: Tariffs work. Low taxes work. Independent Business works (over-regulation, government pushing unions, affirmative action and health care mandates all strip business of autonomy).

I am curious, What do you mean by, Segregation and Zoning works?

Also, your message is filled with assurance, but what is that backed up by? I'm not trying to attack you but a lot of times our city leaders jump on a lot of these gimmick policies and it often turns into shambles and costs a lot of money.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by jmlicb

I am curious, What do you mean by, Segregation and Zoning works?

Also, your message is filled with assurance, but what is that backed up by? I'm not trying to attack you but a lot of times our city leaders jump on a lot of these gimmick policies and it often turns into shambles and costs a lot of money.

Prior to desegregation crime in America was much lower than it was after desegregation. Blacks commit crimes at an extremely higher rate than Whites do. So, it is reasonable to conclude or at least strongly suspect that desegregation caused a huge increase in crime in America. Therefore, we can logically say, segregation "works" and desegregation does not "work," in regards to crime. Of course, I doubt any of this will convince you

I wonder what you are referring to in your last sentence