Cleveland Crime: 2009 (Cincinnati, Green: public schools, voucher, tuition)

[BelieveInCleve]

Luckygem,

By research I meant several things, and not necessarily what you assume. For one I meant to look at what other people post instead of one person. What you said in the post I was referring to, it seemed you indicated everyone in the Cleveland areas views can be represented by one person on an online forum. Also the other thing I mentioned about searching the Cleveland forum and you will find several threads talking about how to improve Cleveland. Here is just one example thread: http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...cleveland.html .

This thread was not made specifically to talk about ways of improving Cleveland or reducing crime, its simply to report crimes in the city of Cleveland to bring out the truth and make people aware of the problems we are facing in the city of Cleveland and NE Ohio. You ask "what have you done lately", on that topic I havent done much. I dont see many opportunities for that type of thing. The only things I have done on that topic are talk and discuss solutions to the problem, sadly not with anybody who had power to do anything. Im not exactly in the position with the authority to make any difference in that department other than just talking to many people about it to make everyone aware. Admitting that there is a problem and identifying the problem are the first steps towards the solution.

[Chef Boyardee]

Blacks are more than twice as likely as Whites to be unemployed and drop out of High School. So, we have Affirmative Action and No Child Left Behind.
Blacks are more than eight times as likely as Whites to commit murder and 15 times as likely to go to prison for robbery. Yet, we do nothing. I'm sick of that!

Lets quit encouraging it!
"How often do assumptions about police—and societal—racism so anger blacks that they go beyond lack of cooperation to crime itself? It is profoundly destructive for minorities to have exaggerated resentments toward the society in which they live. Uncritical repetition by whites of assertions about police bias only deepens these resentments."

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf "Why Study Race and Crime?" pg 20

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by mikemeatball

I had been living in Memphis, TN and Birmingham, AL. I got to tell you that most of the homocide committed over there (95%) were black to black, not black to white. There is a huge difference here in Cleveland here. I don't know why. But in the deep south, churchs play important role to set the basal level of mentality standard on what should minimally be done and what should maximally be done. What happen today in Cleveland is 50 some catholic church will be closed.

I don't doubt your experiences, but I do doubt the statistics would support all of your conclusions. However, there should be no doubt, morality plays a huge part in crime. After all, crimes like murder, are certainly immoral. Still, a State (and many of our churches) that have embraced Relativism, can only be hypocritical when they speak of morality. In this regard, the best they can say, with any credibility, is killing in that way is against "the law" for the moment. Naturally, this degrades the public character (the general public doesn't "know" right from wrong anymore).

The hypocrisy of this should not be ignored, when examining the public character. Consider, for example, the lesson learned by a child, who hears of the practice of mothers regularly killing their children, in all stages of pregnancy, no matter how gruesome and being praised for it. Then, he learns that parent's don't necessarily have a right to spank their children and are often vilified for it. Can't you just feel the "static" building up in that kids head?! This child must conclude, perhaps subconsciously, that there is no such thing as right and wrong or our state is wicked. The first conclusion is supported, not surprisingly!, by the state in public schools! The General Theory of Evolution and The General Theory of Relativity certainly would support the conclusion, Morality is make believe. On the other hand, if the parent's are able to do the job, then maybe the kid will conclude that the state is wicked. You can't rely on churches anymore; even Answers in Genesis (a Creationist Ministry) has started teaching The General Theory of Relativity.

Naturally, when groups of people start deciding that their state is crooked, they go their own way. That might be good. However, it often is not. Ultimately, that must lead to some sort of break up and/or Civil War. Remember, Civil Wars are far and away, much, much, bloodier than wars between states. More Americans died in The American Civil War, than have died in all wars America fought before and since. Think about Rwanda. You don't want to go there. The Czechs and Slovaks had their Velvet Revolution; they divided Czechoslovakia between them, without a shot being fired. Still, I wonder if we would be so civilized.

[mikemeatball]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

The hypocrisy of this should not be ignored, when examining the public character. Consider, for example, the lesson learned by a child, who hears of the practice of mothers regularly killing their children, in all stages of pregnancy, no matter how gruesome and being praised for it. Then, he learns that parent's don't necessarily have a right to spank their children and are often vilified for it. Can't you just feel the "static" building up in that kids head?! This child must conclude, perhaps subconsciously, that there is no such thing as right and wrong or our state is wicked. The first conclusion is supported, not surprisingly!, by the state in public schools! The General Theory of Evolution and The General Theory of Relativity certainly would support the conclusion, Morality is make believe. On the other hand, if the parent's are able to do the job, then maybe the kid will conclude that the state is wicked. You can't rely on churches anymore; even Answers in Genesis (a Creationist Ministry) has started teaching The General Theory of Relativity.

I agree that decent parenting plays more important role than what the best priest or teacher can do to their kids in this country. What I don't understand is why people kill other people who pay local tax and bring business to downtown? Don't they think at least they have food stamp out from the payroll of those people who work 8-16 hours a day while carrying a 40k to 80k student loan?

Strange, right?

In south, low social-economic status people seems like understand this simple principle and just ask for money for a meal or two, 10-20 bucks would be enough. Then they are just sitting together happily talking sports all day long. My question is : what make people become so greedy to get money by taking stranger's life out on the street?

My suggestion is putting a big screen in downtown community center and offer free espn / fox sports channels. This may lower the number of people who have nothing to do, or, have nothing to think about.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by mikemeatball

I agree that decent parenting plays more important role than the best priest or teacher in this country. What I don't know is why people kill other people who pay local tax and bring business to downtown? Don't they think at least their have food stamp out from those people who work 8-16 hours a day while carrying a 40k to 80 student loan?

Strange, right?

I met Blacks elites from Africa, in college, who thought that American Blacks were poorly behaved, when compared to Blacks in their own home country. It would appear that Blacks in America have been "stirred up." It would also appear this has been worse in some areas of America, than in others.

Again, our state encourages this. If you've been taught to believe that Whites, in particular White Men, are the cause of most of your problems and you've been taught to seek revenge, then it is logical to conclude, you should "Kill Whitey" or at least, pick on him.

[mikemeatball]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

Again, our state encourages this. If you've been taught to believe that Whites, in particular White Men, are the cause of most of your problems and you've been taught to seek revenge, then it is logical to conclude, you should "Kill Whitey" or at least, pick on him.

This sounds even more stranger after Obama was elected as the president of this country 4 moths ago, since white is still the major race in this country.

Seems like people don't think their dream will come true even though their dream DO have already come true.

To be honest, I won't risk my responsibility to my kids, my wife, my brother ,and my parents to kind of hanging out in downtown after dark any more. I don't want to turn myself into a number somewhere on a piece of statistic sheet coming out every year from FBI city-wise crime rate database.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by mikemeatball

This sounds even more stranger after Obama was elected as the president of this country 4 moths ago, since white is still the major race in this country.

Seems like people don't think their dream will come true even though their dream DO have already come true.

To be honest, I won't risk my responsibility to my kids, my wife, my brother ,and my parents to kind of hanging out in downtown after dark any more. I don't want to turn myself into a number somewhere on a piece of statistic sheet coming out every year from FBI city-wise crime rate database.

I see what you mean. Still, I don't think this has ever been rational or moral. So, I don't see why it should ever be satisfied or behave reasonably.

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

Blacks are more than twice as likely as Whites to be unemployed and drop out of High School. So, we have Affirmative Action and No Child Left Behind.
Blacks are more than eight times as likely as Whites to commit murder and 15 times as likely to go to prison for robbery. Yet, we do nothing. I'm sick of that!

Lets quit encouraging it!
"How often do assumptions about police—and societal—racism so anger blacks that they go beyond lack of cooperation to crime itself? It is profoundly destructive for minorities to have exaggerated resentments toward the society in which they live. Uncritical repetition by whites of assertions about police bias only deepens these resentments."

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf "Why Study Race and Crime?" pg 20

Actually in Clevelands case, there have been a lot of years when whites drop out at higher rate than blacks, and graduate at lower rates. The percentage of whites in poverty in Cleveland is much higher than most cities, but still just over half the percentage of blacks in poverty in Cleveland.

[Chef Boyardee]

Originally Posted by Cle440

Actually in Clevelands case, there have been a lot of years when whites drop out at higher rate than blacks, and graduate at lower rates. The percentage of whites in poverty in Cleveland is much higher than most cities, but still just over half the percentage of blacks in poverty in Cleveland.

What's your source?

[BelieveInCleve]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

What's your source?

This is just 1 example: Article | Cleveland Worst in U.S. in High School Graduation

"...In Cleveland, just 28 percent of the class of 1998 earned a diploma. A stunningly low 23 percent of white students graduated -- far lower than any other district studied -- while 26 percent of Latinos and 29 percent of blacks graduated...."

Be it thats from 1998. Thats actually really bad considering the next lowest white graduation rate of all the cities included was 43%, and that was in Detroit Report | High School Graduation Rates in the United States, Jay P. Greene, Ph. D. .

Ill try to find some more links for other years and see if its similar.