Cleveland Crime: 2009 (Akron, Clifton: vs, murders, metro)

[Rockmysawks]

Another day, another homicide. Cleveland police investigating suspected homicide on East 130thlate afternoon - Metro - cleveland.com

Things aren't looking good this year.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Chef Boyardee

My point about rape was, girls today encourage rape and they haven't always. The "community" that Deuteronomy 22 describes is one where the kind of behavior that contributes to our modern day rape epidemics is so strongly discouraged, that rape would be much less frequent. Of course, certain liberties are surrendered, like hot pants and dating.

The capital punishment imposed for rape is certainly a deterrent, but today we still impose long prison sentences and life long consequences. What we don't provide today, is a society that encourages good behavior and discourages bad. For example, we encourage lust and luring behavior; we don't discourage it. In fact, when confronted with a society that does discourage lust, we label them as "Fascist" and make a kind of "crusade" out of changing them. It's as if, Hugh Hefner is our guide

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I don't believe girls encourage rape, I do believe that they do nothing to lessen the likelihood of being a victim. They have a very common modern "bad things cannot to me mentality" and so they figure they can get drunk and stoned senseless in the presence of a half-dozen guys who they barely know at some party, and nothing will happen.

I wouldn't even be around a half-dozen strangers in a private setting as the potential for trouble is too great. I'm not going to stay a prisoner in my own home but I recognize there is a very real chance that I might be the victim of a violent assault such as a robbery or carjacking at some point in time, or at least wind up being the target of an attempted attack.

I tend to believe that most girls these days have their head in the clouds. They're too busy thinking about Cosmo and American Idol to be aware of their surroundings or consider that it might not be a good idea to go drink vodka with a half-dozen strange guys who they only know through some gal pal.

[Puddy4LyF]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

I hope you don't live in my state.

I do live in your state. Here's why I'm a more valuable citizen than you and why you should love that I live in your state: Because I carry out good works without the fear of hell or the desire of heaven. I also don't hold an antiquated book of fairy tales over the heads of my neighbors. I've been reading your comments and I'm disgusted by your narrow-minded viewpoints and your irrationality. If anyone would be wishing the other didn't live in my state, it would be the other way around.

Morality predates religion. Why is it that you need this book to tell you what is good and what is bad for humanity? I might also move to another book -- you don't seem to be handling the arguments of your current one very well. (I will expound on this by replying to a ridiculous comment you make on the next page.)

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Puddy4LyF

I do live in your state. Here's why I'm a more valuable citizen than you and why you should love that I live in your state: Because I carry out good works without the fear of hell or the desire of heaven. I also don't hold an antiquated book of fairy tales over the heads of my neighbors. I've been reading your comments and I'm disgusted by your narrow-minded viewpoints and your irrationality. If anyone would be wishing the other didn't live in my state, it would be the other way around.

Morality predates religion. Why is it that you need this book to tell you what is good and what is bad for humanity? I might also move to another book -- you don't seem to be handling the arguments of your current one very well. (I will expound on this by replying to a ridiculous comment you make on the next page.)

You're looking for a fight, I'm not willing to play into your hand and give you one. Suffice to say I doubt you've ever risked your life to stop an attack against another citizen by a violent offender. I could sit here all night and shut you down, but I'd rather not waste my time feeding a troll.

[Puddy4LyF]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

You're looking for a fight, I'm not willing to play into your hand and give you one. Suffice to say I doubt you've ever risked your life to stop an attack against another citizen by a violent offender. I could sit here all night and shut you down, but I'd rather not waste my time feeding a troll.

What a cop out. You came onto this board and have now argued with 3 or 4 different folks about religion in a sickening, holier than thou manner and I'm the troll. I requested that we stop Bible thumping in this thread, which doesn't, and might I add, shouldn't have anything to do with it. And I'm the troll.

Shall I send you a list of "just" Bible verses in response to your earlier claim that if we were all Bible thumpers like yourself that we would all live in a better society? I think there are plenty of unjust examples to go around. Would you like it in a PM?

Have I ever risked my life to stop an attack against another citizen by a violent offender? What this has to do with anything I'm not really sure. I've fortunately or unfortunately (I'm not sure how twisted you really are) never witnessed a violent attack on another person, thank deity. I can't really say how my reaction would be, but I'm sure I would first attempt to resolve the conflict in a non-threatening, non-violent way. As a humanist, I tend to be a non-violent person. It makes me very nervous that 75% of Americans identify themselves as Christian if they all value 'eye for an eye' theology. I guess that's some good Old Testament morals. Yikes.

Second, and what I feel is most important, is the amount of good you can do for someone, and unlike you, I'm not going to challenge you on a message board about all the good works you feel you've done in your life. I would hope it's plenty, but more importantly, I hope you do it more for the common good of humanity and not because you are hoping for a spot in Heaven one day.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Puddy4LyF

What a cop out. You came onto this board and have now argued with 3 or 4 different folks about religion in a sickening, holier than thou manner and I'm the troll. I requested that we stop Bible thumping in this thread, which doesn't, and might I add, shouldn't have anything to do with it. And I'm the troll.

Shall I send you a list of just Bible verses in response to your earlier claim that if we were all Bible thumpers like yourself that we would all live in a better society? I think there are plenty of unjust examples to go around. Would you like it in a PM?

Have I ever risked my life to stop an attack against another citizen by a violent offender? What this has to do with anything I'm not really sure. I've fortunately or unfortunately (I'm not sure how twisted you really are) never witnessed a violent attack on another person, thank deity. I can't really say how my reaction would be, but I'm sure I would first attempt to resolve the conflict in a non-threatening, non-violent way. As a humanist, I tend to be a non-violent person. It makes me very nervous that 75% of Americans identify themselves as Christian if they are all like you and value 'eye for an eye' theology.

Second, and what I feel is most important, is the amount of good you can do for someone, and unlike you, I'm not going to challenge you on a message board about all the good works you feel you've done in your life. I would hope it's plenty, but more importantly, I hope you do it more for the common good of humanity and not because you are hoping for a spot in Heaven one day.

You're not going to challenge me about the good I have or have not done? You already opened things up by thumping your chest and saying, "I am a better citizen than you!"

As for resolving things peacefully... When you see a 220-230 pound male, beating up and trying to subdue/quiet a small female, as she is squirming in his grasp, you go ahead and ask him in a nice soft voice to "behave" (maybe you can flip your wrist as you do it or throw a purse at him). I'll solve things my way, the effective way.

You say you're not going to challenge me but your entire post was a challenge. "I'm not going to challenge you, but let's go, let's fight right now, I'm the better and more valuable citizen, oh yeah! But remember, I'm not challenging you..."


What does risking your safety/health/life/etc have to do with anything? It's easy to cut a check to a charity or help somebody clean up the garbage in their yard, it doesn't entail any serious risk. It's hard to fling yourself into the middle of a felony assault/attempted rape/kidnapping/etc and run the attacker off. As far as civic action goes, I'm on the front-lines, you're a REMF.

[Puddy4LyF]

Originally Posted by OhioUberAlles

You're not going to challenge me about the good I have or have not done? You already opened things up by thumping your chest and saying, "I am a better citizen than you!"

As for resolving things peacefully... When you see a 220-230 pound male, beating up and trying to subdue/quiet a small female, as she is squirming in his grasp, you go ahead and ask him in a nice soft voice to "behave" (maybe you can flip your wrist as you do it or throw a purse at him). I'll solve things my way, the effective way.

You say you're not going to challenge me but your entire post was a challenge. "I'm not going to challenge you, but let's go, let's fight right now, I'm the better and more valuable citizen, oh yeah! But remember, I'm not challenging you..."


What does risking your safety/health/life/etc have to do with anything? It's easy to cut a check to a charity or help somebody clean up the garbage in their yard, it doesn't entail any serious risk. It's hard to fling yourself into the middle of a felony assault/attempted rape/kidnapping/etc and run the attacker off. As far as civic action goes, I'm on the front-lines, you're a REMF.

Yes, you're a real warrior. How can you stop something which has never happened? This is the type of absurd logic I just don't have the patience to deal with. I've never witnessed a violent crime and in your scenario, I'm sure we'd handle it the exact same way. Why? Because we're humans with empathy.

Secondly, I said that I am a more valuable citizen to my neighbors because what I do, I do for their betterment and not mine. Simple as that. Christian doctrine challenges people to be better people - for a reward. Humanists see no reward for themselves except for the reward of knowing you did something good for someone else. Disagree with this? That's unfortunate. Someone needs to be honest with you.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Puddy4LyF

Yes, you're a real warrior. How can you stop something which has never happened? This is the type of absurd logic I just don't have the patience to deal with. I've never witnessed a violent crime and in your scenario, I'm sure we'd handle it the exact same way. Why? Because we're humans with empathy.

Secondly, I said that I am a more valuable citizen to my neighbors because what I do, I do for their betterment and not mine. Simple as that. Christian doctrine challenges people to be better people - for a reward. Humanists see no reward for themselves except for the reward of knowing you did something good for someone else. Disagree with this? That's unfortunate. Someone needs to be honest with you.

I was saved from before I was born, from before the foundation of the world, I'm not doing XYZ amount of good deeds because I expect that X+Y+Z good deeds = eternal salvation. Either your name was written in the Book of Life from before the foundation of the world or it wasn't.

You seek the praise of your fellow man, you seek adoration, recognition, and status that comes with doing good things. Furthermore, the humanist ultimately seeks to be idolized and remembered for centuries to come.

I don't really care if I die in the wilderness and nobody even knows where I wound up buried. Being idolized is not one of my aspirations.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Puddy4LyF

Secondly, I said that I am a more valuable citizen to my neighbors because what I do, I do for their betterment and not mine. Simple as that. Christian doctrine challenges people to be better people - for a reward. Humanists see no reward for themselves except for the reward of knowing you did something good for someone else. Disagree with this? That's unfortunate. Someone needs to be honest with you.

So you seek the selfish reward of being able to feel better about yourself? There are times where I've done the right thing but it hurt me (either physically, financially, emotionally, etc), even though it was the right thing to do in the given situation, it didn't make me feel better (feelings are illusory as they put nothing into reality) but it did make me better.

Humanists just want to be able to feel good about themselves.

[OhioUberAlles]

Originally Posted by Puddy4LyF

Yes, you're a real warrior. How can you stop something which has never happened?

And you're still a REMF.

It's easy not to see something when you don't want to pay attention to the evil that transpires on a daily basis. It's much easier to not get involved and justify it by telling yourself that you didn't see anything, maybe you were mistaken about what you thought you saw, etc...

When you want to be able to avoid helping people, while justifying it to yourself on the grounds that you never encounter anybody who needs help, you'll tune out their cries for help.